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Old 04-03-2017, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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I know of a girl here in the US who lost her hearing at 18 months due to measles. How does a parent explain to their child that they lost their hearing because they refused to vaccinate them against a preventable disease?

 
Old 04-03-2017, 11:44 AM
 
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I know of a girl here in the US who lost her hearing at 18 months due to measles. How does a parent explain to their child that they lost their hearing because they refused to vaccinate them against a preventable disease?
not to turn this political except this is on the POC forum, but it's this newfound disrespect of science where regular people seem to think their feelings or that random posting they read on the web is more real/truthful than science and medicine, blogs trump peer reviewed researched medical/scientific fact....
I know several people like this in the world and it's sad and scary...

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Old 04-03-2017, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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I'm concerned about what the current administration might do with this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...fe5_story.html

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/poli...-trail-n705296
 
Old 04-03-2017, 11:48 AM
 
Location: My House
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Actually, the jury has decided; there is no evidence linking autism to vaccines (and to be clear, this does technically mean it's still possible, but within the field of science, a possibility [hypothesis] needs something substantial before it can move on to being true [a theory]).

Most 'studies' on this assume that causation and correlation go hand in hand. This is not the case. They usually sight increases in vaccinations and increases in autism happening at similar times. However, most experts seem to agree that this is likely unrelated. Our understanding of autism is growing and it then stands to reason that our ability to diagnose it would increase with it. So, while actually autism diagnoses has increased, there's no evidence for rates of autism actually increasing, certainly not in relation to vaccinations.
Yeah... vaccines don't cause autism.

I have a theory that we have more autism now because we have more older people having kids. Older eggs, older sperm.

I think that is part of the puzzle. Certainly not all of it. We've had autistic kids around for quite some time, but we also have better prenatal care now, and that's got to be contributing to more fetuses that may not have survived making it to term as well.

It's likely not a "this one thing causes it" situation.
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Old 04-03-2017, 11:56 AM
 
Location: Northern California
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In the last measles outbreak at Disney, a baby died, the baby was too young to have been vaccinated. A gf of mine is anti vax, & I said their rights to not vaccinate, end, when it can kill an innocent child/baby.
 
Old 04-03-2017, 11:58 AM
 
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In the last measles outbreak at Disney, a baby died, the baby was too young to have been vaccinated. A gf of mine is anti vax, & I said their rights to not vaccinate, end, when it can kill an innocent child/baby.
So what other medical procedures would you force people to have besides vaccinations?
 
Old 04-03-2017, 11:59 AM
 
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For those in favor of forced vaccinations, are you also in favor of other forced medical procedures like forced sterilizations? Forced abortions? Forced births?
Where do we draw the line?
I don't think anything should be forced, but steps should be taken to reduce exposure from non-vaccinated individuals if possible.
 
Old 04-03-2017, 11:59 AM
 
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So what other medical procedures would you force people to have besides vaccinations?
and here we go....
 
Old 04-03-2017, 12:01 PM
 
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I wonder if Bobby Kennedy feels any guilt about this.
 
Old 04-03-2017, 12:03 PM
 
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So what other medical procedures would you force people to have besides vaccinations?
Absolutely none, as long as the non vaccinated person(s) also agree to quarantine themselves/their children completely from the rest of society and never leave said quarantine, so that they aren't FORCING exposure to easily preventable diseases on everyone else.
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