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The easy answer is "yes." The question gets harder when you ask if it should be equal for all, the way say the right to free speech or religion are. Given the huge costs and advances, the question is "how much of a right" is health care? Health care has been used by the Democrats (of which I am one) as a wedge to seek greater income redistribution overall. It's a nose under the tent to equalize everything according to need, not effort.
How much research have you done into countries that have provided healthcare for their citizens for decades? Legit question.
You have a right to seek knowledge....
But you have no right to force me to pay for your schooling.
You have a right to seek employment.....
But you have no right to force me to give you a job.
You have a right to seek sustenance.....
But you have no right to come in my house and raid my refrigerator.
Health care is no different.
as tax monies support education, then it is part of what this democracy supports, which means the majority support it. and Majority is what makes a Democracy work. It is not meant to satisfy everyone 100%... it is to have a standard that is accepted by a majority.
No on asked another to independently pay for anyone as a particular individual. It is a collective, better known as a Society.... And the government can use tax money to support facilities of education. If one wants to extract themselves from it, there are still places in the wilderness one can move to.
One's refrigerator is in one's house hopefully; no one has a right to come into a mans home, and yes, the government can force upon one a respect for "human rights'.... if you think not, go violate someones human rights and see what it gets you.
We don't involuntarily pay taxes, it is a duty within the governance system of this society, within this Democracy, which supports this Democracy. A duty is a "responsibility", if one does not want to partake in it, there are countries that may not collect taxes, if one can find it, it might be the ideal place one could gravitate to, provided one can meet the immigration requirements.
No man has to give any man a job, Jobs are opportunities, but one must not be discriminating when one offers an opportunity in the public sector of private industry or government business. If one want to give a job to someone in one's own home, one can do what ever one choose, because one is not operating as a business. but as an individual, acquiring home help.
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As to the issue of using the government to compel one to pay for the care of another, that is involuntary servitude unless one has consented. Then it is voluntary servitude, and constitutional.
I think this is crux of the entire matter. And it's an aspect that the typical universal health care proponent either doesn't understand or chooses to ignore. You/We are free to devise ANY scheme we like assuming it does not involve involuntary servitude. The concept of insurance is one such scheme (well, that is until the government turned it into involuntary servitude), and one with which I disagree. There are far better ideas that do not involve coercion. I'm a fan of the health care co-op idea. They result in essentially the same outcome as insurance, yet do not involve involuntary servitude, do not involve huge profits, do not cause inflated costs, and tend to be far more personal.
So since rights apparently aren't a government thing...I say take all guns and throw 'em in the ocean. Free speech? F that noise. Shut down any and all traitors to the American cause. Religion? Nope. All must adhere to the FSM version of the universe. Any dissent shall be roundly shut down by 'Murican volunteers.
Do I even need to point out what's wrong with this?
Rights are inherent, not granted or taken away by the government. Rights are negative, not positive - meaning they describe what people aren't allowed to do to you, not what people must do for you.
Everything you listed is a right. Healthcare is not a right because it requires a positive action on someone else's part. No one has a right to force someone else to do anything for them.
Americans pay up to 4x as much for their healthcare from hospital stays to medicine to health insurance. If you get a chance, do some reading. Its quite eye opening.
Do I even need to point out what's wrong with this?
Rights are inherent, not granted or taken away by the government. Rights are negative, not positive - meaning they describe what people aren't allowed to do to you, not what people must do for you.
Everything you listed is a right. Healthcare is not a right because it requires a positive action on someone else's part. No one has a right to force someone else to do anything for them.
If those rights are inherent, then they don't need to be written in a government document. They'll just...exist. Correct?
No, since Rights are intrinsic and innate to the Human Being, and do not require 2nd or 3rd Parties to fulfill those rights.
...intrinsic, but still society has changed what it considers a person rights. It changes as society changes.
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