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Our current wars have nothing to do with defense of the country. Until you are willing to walk the walk here, support or not nothing else you say is of interest.
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Originally Posted by NxtGen
3. Don't assume I support the many wars we are involved in.
Be honest in your discussion. What is wrong with you?
You selectively omitted this which SPECIFICALLY attends to the very point you made above.
I am against (most) social programs because I don't want to pay for your problems and bad decisions.
That is the thing. You see, first they get everyone to pay, then.. once it is mandated, they begin telling people how they can live, using the reasoning that they have to pay, so they can force compliance.
Progressives are enemies of liberty and freedom and their policies are specifically designed for that purpose, not any particular BS claim they give about caring.
You think taxation is theft? So the US constitution is in err? Tax money is not your money, it's the federal government's money subject to the will of the People. The national debt is ours too. Why don't you discuss that?
All government spending is redistributive in nature and function. All governments redistribute resources. That's sort of the function of government. We happen to have a say in that redistribution b/c of our representative form of government.
The founders completely conflict with your summary.
That is the thing. You see, first they get everyone to pay, then.. once it is mandated, they begin telling people how they can live, using the reasoning that they have to pay, so they can force compliance.
Eerily similar to how most neocons support outlawing same sex marriage, endorse prohibition of marijuana, seek to outlaw personal reproductive decisions, exact taxpayer money to pay for unwarranted military expenditure increases, etc.
I never said go pay cash for a house. I said to not have "consumer" debt(auto loans, revolving credit card, etc.). I said don't buy too much house.
A house is a consumer debt. A recently hired pharmaceutical rep also has to have a reliable car. Few have that kind of money just out of college.
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Think, what would you do differently right now if there were no welfare programs, which includes unemployment? I highly suggest you read "The Total Money Makeover" by Dave Ramsey and "The Automatic Millionaire" by David Bach. It is a fallacy to think people need welfare and social programs.
We didn't "need" QE I, II and III either but we did it. What does Dave Ramsey have to say about those Socialist welfare programs?
All the Americans that are employed in a Union job at their local Defense Plant are very much in favor of government social programs. The petroleum companies selling thousands or tons of fuel to support the biggest military in the world also favor social programs. The latter are even more important than the former because they send the money directly to the investor/speculator classes and do not waste it on the workers.
The objection is to not spend money on keeping people well if they no longer serve the well off workers or the plutocrats. These are, given history's lessons, the Retired, Veterans (injured more then the rest) and, most specifically, those that are cursed by choosing poor parents, bad locations and all the other reasons to just quit trying to climb the cliff into "respectable society". The so called taxpayers will do everything possible to keep the wall surrounding poverty intact. Some of these people will support corrupt police forces to reinforce the wall as in Ferguson, Mo a couple of years ago. The people outside the wall of poverty will even support huge tax cuts for the people with more money than they will ever see. I guess they are betting on winning Powerball and don't want to pay taxes on their winnings.
What we are seeing in the opposition to social programs, except those that benefit from them, is a massive example of applied selfishness that is exploited by the hyper wealthy for their benefit at the long term expense of the lower income opposition. The "well off" workers are patsies for the hyper wealthy and always have been.
Be honest in your discussion. What is wrong with you?
You selectively omitted this which SPECIFICALLY attends to the very point you made above.
No it doesn't. You deflected. To prove this you started off with the statement that the defense of the country was a legit undertaking of the country. I agree BUT that had NOTHING to do with what I said.
You think taxation is theft? So the US constitution is in err? Tax money is not your money, it's the federal government's money subject to the will of the People. The national debt is ours too. Why don't you discuss that?
All government spending is redistributive in nature and function. All governments redistribute resources. That's sort of the function of government. We happen to have a say in that redistribution b/c of our representative form of government.
The Constitution does not lay out a path for the government to tax us. I can't really take your post seriously beyond that. A bit of a troll type post.
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