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Old 05-19-2017, 07:44 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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I don't believe you. That said.......you don't do all of these things overnight plus it doesn't even answer my question.
I could care less whether you believe me. Being self-employed, I don't and didn't qualify for government welfare(unemployment benefits) and won't ever apply for it. I learned the hard way once(losing my house), so I got my financial **** together and prepared for future "life". This is how responsible Americans protect themselves.

 
Old 05-19-2017, 07:47 AM
 
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I could care less whether you believe me. Being self-employed, I don't and didn't qualify for government welfare(unemployment benefits) and won't ever apply for it. I learned the hard way once(losing my house), so I got my financial **** together and prepared for future "life". This is how responsible Americans protect themselves.
How does one go about protecting themselves from their place of employment closing with no notice?

Guy graduates from college with six figure debt. Lands a job.....things going well.....buys a house....boom. Doors locked and he is out of a job.
 
Old 05-19-2017, 07:50 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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The only group of people who should receive government assistance is military personnel injured in combat. They are "us" and not civilians who make poor life choices. They should get prompt and quality care before one dime goes out in welfare or SS.
As former Military I would rather have Medicare than the current version of the VA. Instead I pay for private healthcare.
 
Old 05-19-2017, 07:58 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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How does one go about protecting themselves from their place of employment closing with no notice?

Guy graduates from college with six figure debt. Lands a job.....things going well.....buys a house....boom. Doors locked and he is out of a job.
As I said, you stay out of debt, live well below your means and save. I'm not an advocate of borrowing large sums for a degree. It might work for doctors, but few others. And, it is typical that people buy way too much house because they can. If the government were to stop backing mortgage loans, banks would not loan recklessly.

Your new graduate can get a differment and sell or walk away from his/her mortgage. Before anyone buys a home they should have at least 3 months expenses in savings to cover job shock. But, this is just how I think, which works.
 
Old 05-19-2017, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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As former Military I would rather have Medicare than the current version of the VA. Instead I pay for private healthcare.
And you deserve to be pissed. It is a constitutional failure of our government that this is the case.
 
Old 05-19-2017, 08:02 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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..........you don't do all of these things overnight plus it doesn't even answer my question.
It doesn't happen overnight, but being self employed does put one a better mindset than working for someone else. It does take years, but if one does the adjustments that end up with positive reactions then one can work through the ups and downs of the economy and end up never using most social programs. I too also have everything paid off and carrying no more than 30 days of debt at any one time.
 
Old 05-19-2017, 08:08 AM
 
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Then you donate to them, open up a charity, ask for donations and crusade to help those people you describe.

What's that? You don't want to? You want to spend other peoples money to do your charity? How benevolent of you! How caring!
Or you know, we could see how successful these programs are run in another countries using evidence based testing and incorporate them here.

Oh I know, I know.

"I got mine."

Just continue to ignore the facts.
 
Old 05-19-2017, 08:11 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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How does one go about protecting themselves from their place of employment closing with no notice?

Guy graduates from college with six figure debt. Lands a job.....things going well.....buys a house....boom. Doors locked and he is out of a job.
Guys school debt is no ones else's fault but his own. Guy chose career path, Guy chose school, Guy chose debt. Guy gets a job and should be working off debt, not purchasing a home and a new car. When Guy has enough experience at one job he should job hop to increase his salary. As his salary increases, his debt decreases.
 
Old 05-19-2017, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Western North Carolina
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A large portion of Americans seem to be against social programs even though it may be for the common good. When there is talk of the (on average) much better social programs in many European countries the general response is "well, they have to spend more on taxes". To which I ask.....so? If it meant far better health care, far better maternity leave, etc. isn't that worth it? Do not the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one?

Take, take, take, take, take. "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose."
 
Old 05-19-2017, 08:11 AM
 
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Are you going to start a charity to pay for the wars?

1. Defense of this nation is clearly established as one of the few taxable purposes.
2. If we are attacked ALL are threatened, as an attack on the US is an attack on us all.
3. Don't assume I support the many wars we are involved in.

As for the social crusades you wish to steal money from the people to redistribute.

Ones social situation is their responsibility and only involves them. That is, a person being poor, having hardship, etc... does not threaten the entire US and everyone as a war on the US would.

So, these social cases are individual situations to which charity of individuals is best sought (and actually works well as we can see from numerous charity organizations).

Progressives love to prattle on about how they care, but they are blow hards who talk the talk, yet never walk the walk.

Look at Hollywood and the numerous big businesses out there ran by the progressive elite. With the sheer money they have, they could solve many of the problems of people they go on about. Even if they took 50% of their income and worth and gave it to such causes, they would still be so rich that it wouldn't matter of the loss, yet...

Where are those progressives? Yeah.. mouthing off about how they care, but never really "giving" anywhere near what they could to achieve a much stronger result.

This is why this whole thing is pure BS.

You people want to help, use your own damn money, and quit giving us BS cry baby stories about how you care. You don't care, none of you give a damn about the hardships of others.

Put your money where your mouth is, give away all of your money for the sake of helping those in need, donate your entire life to the service of others, then get back to me.

Nope?


Thought so.
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