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What amazes me is when fellow Americans defend illegals coming here and don't support border protection. This isn't a left or right issue, we need to unite and protect our country.
It's not about defending illegals coming here or not supporting border protection. It's called not wasting money on something that won't work.
That is the big wall, from sea to shining sea, that is a real, physical wall that the Mexicans would pay for, and not with taxing remissions or visas or taxing Mexican imports. All points Trump's defenders seem to try to explain that Mexico really wasn't going to pay for it, or that Trump really didn't mean a real physical wall, all points he had ample opportunities to clarify himself, yet he doubled down when challenged.
So, as long as Mexico hands the US a check for the cost of the wall....
The AP report is hilarious. "Testers also expressed safety concerns about getting down from 30 feet." Mmm-hm. US special forces. 30 feet. Safety concerns.
If you ever had any doubt that this is a project designed to appeal to stupid people, that right there should provide a hint.
It's not about defending illegals coming here or not supporting border protection. It's called not wasting money on something that won't work.
That is the big wall, from sea to shining sea, that is a real, physical wall that the Mexicans would pay for, and not with taxing remissions or visas or taxing Mexican imports. All points Trump's defenders seem to try to explain that Mexico really wasn't going to pay for it, or that Trump really didn't mean a real physical wall, all points he had ample opportunities to clarify himself, yet he doubled down when challenged.
So, as long as Mexico hands the US a check for the cost of the wall....
Wrong. It's not sea to shining sea. We are only talking about the 700 miles on the most porous areas of our border already approved by congress in 2006. I don't care if Mexico pays for it or not. I'll still be money ahead opposed to the $100 billion a year that illegals cost us. The good walls in place already have been very effective and is well needed so yes it will deter illegal aliens in large numbers. What price do you want to put on our national security?
They come through the big open roads in semis, right through checkpoints.
Also when fences were put in in Arizona illegal crossings decreased in Arizona but increased in Texas. People can and will go around all the way to the ocean if need be. Look at Cubans coming over in rafts, I'm sure that Mexicans can do the same thing if need be, there are boats in Mexico.
We do our best to stop them, however a good, long physical barrier is a huge deterrant on the porous areas of our border. So if we can't stop them altogether then we shouldn't shoot for 90%? What kind of reasoning is that? Those areas in Texas will have the wall where it's feasible so why are you arguing about Texas when the wall hasn't even been built there yet? Again, you don't think we guard our waterways and won't continue to do so? The Cubans have nothing to do with our border issue. Start a different topic about that then.
I guarantee that if they told the testers their names would be made public 100% would have made it over the wall. A Seal that can't climb a 30 ft wall would be mocked by his peers the rest of his life. After all the stuff they do just to become special forces, there is no way a 30ft wall is all it takes to defeat them. Entire armies used to do it while under attack using homemade wooden ladders and rope.
We do our best to stop them, however a good, long physical barrier is a huge deterrant on the porous areas of our border. So if we can't stop them altogether then we shouldn't shoot for 90%? What kind of reasoning is that? Those areas in Texas will have the wall where it's feasible so why are you arguing about Texas when the wall hasn't even been built there yet? Again, you don't think we guard our waterways and won't continue to do so? The Cubans have nothing to do with our border issue. Start a different topic about that then.
Cubans come by boat, Mexico has lots of coast closer to the US than Cuba. Why wouldn't coyotes start using boats?
I was mentioning Texas because when the fence went up in AZ the illegals simply moved on down to Texas. When a wall is put in Texas they will move to the sea. Are we going to build a wall around the whole coast line too?
Spending this type of money is pointless when there are more cost effective means of making them not want to come in the first place. The problem is that big business doesn't want their source of cheap labor to go bye bye. Big business owns both the Rs and the Ds or E-verify would already be mandatory.
I guarantee that if they told the testers their names would be made public 100% would have made it over the wall. A Seal that can't climb a 30 ft wall would be mocked by his peers the rest of his life. After all the stuff they do just to become special forces, there is no way a 30ft wall is all it takes to defeat them. Entire armies used to do it while under attack using homemade wooden ladders and rope.
It is difficult to believe that these "commandos" were actually Seals or Delta guys. I kept occasional company with a couple of them in my younger days. Not at the same time, of course.
There is no way anyone I met during those years would given up on getting over a 30 ft. wall.
Mocked? I should say. They'd have been ridiculed mercilessly.
Maybe standards have fallen over the years.
Last edited by GotHereQuickAsICould; 01-19-2018 at 06:09 PM..
Wrong - 40-50% and perhaps higher are illegal immigrants who FLY in by plane and overstay their visas. Your wall won't stop that now will it? Can't you read?
Also you never answered as to whether Mexico is paying for the wall as the fat man screeched about and promised us for over two years?
That leaves 50 to 60% that crawl across the border illegally, and these are the ones that could be anyone, coming for any purpose and we have no idea who they are like we do those that overstay visas.
Mexico will pay through tariffs/taxes when they use the big beautiful door. Also on the table is taxing the outgoing US dollars sent by Mexicans in the US to Mexico, a total of $26 billion in 2016. Add the $117 billion a year that illegal aliens cost, and securing the border starts to look like a bargain. Or, http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...icle-1.2956641
Taxing the goods would also help Americans producing the same goods be more competitive keeping US dollars in our country.
The federal government has the job of keeping our borders secure.
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Can't you read?
