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65 pages and can't even agree is daca's are legal or not ?
It's not amazing at all. If disagreement were about matters of degree, about shades of meaning, as opposed to the simplest fundamentals, then the disagreement would not be so intransigent, so entrenched.
Terminology matters. Those who think that these DACA people are, fundamentally, criminals - would have no reason to grant them much of a reprieve, save perhaps as some act of clemency in isolated circumstances. Those who on the contrary see them, fundamentally, as American children growing up to be American adults, would regard anything but a full and speedy granting of citizenship, to be a stupidity and an abomination.
Consider another contentious debate: abortion. Is a human embryo just a collection of cells? Then excising it, is no more than popping a pimple. Is it a full, individual, precious human life? Then abortion is murder. it all devolves to terminology. It would be wondrous indeed, if we COULD agree on definitions and terms!
Immigrants are immigrants, period. Legality is a gray area enforced by those holding all the cards over the head of the immigrant; as in "poof-you are legal" and "slam-you're illegal." But the immigrant who crosssed a border is still an immigrant, no matter how or under what circumstances he came here.
Simple minded people who can't empathize with the plight of others stuck between a rock and a hard place seem to be the majority who scream "illegal" at the drop of a hat. You have to wonder if all of these upstanding Americans never broke a law, ever, or if any of their kinfolk ever did. Hate to think THEY might be "illegal."
There is such thing as a plain ole immigrant. They are either legal immigrants or illegal aliens. There is no gray area.
So because some Americans break the law (of which they are held accountable) it's ok for illegal aliens to come here? Are you serious? What about Americans who don't break the law or don't they count? Even if any of us had ancestors that came here illegally what has that to do with us? I don't condone that for anyone. I'm not responsible for anyone else's behavior but my own. I get sick of these lame excuses to defend illegal aliens up to and including blurring the lines between legal and illegal.
That’s what the Dreamers are saying. They’re not to blame for the actions of their ancestors. It’s a very American belief.
They ARE being held responsible for THEIR OWN actions. Once they turn 18.5 years old, THEY THEMSELVES are illegal aliens, and they know it, but FAIL to apply to immigrate legally. That's on THEM, not anyone else.
Trump supporters are beyond stupid. The Democrats are playing a long game. They "caved," with the public promise from McConnell to have a clean DACA vote in three weeks, which sets the GOP up for a massive fail if they don't keep their promise. The government will shut down again, and the Republicans will be to blame.
The Democrats are not voting for immigrants rather than for citizens; they are in support of DACA because it's the humane and decent thing to do. NAFTA destroyed rural farming communities in Mexico; rural Mexican farmers were wiped out by the flood of products from American industrialized farms. Their own local economies destroyed, and no longer able to make a living and feed their families, they crossed the border. Sounds like a logical outcome. What would you do in the same situation? If you destroy someone's ability to make a living, you can't then whine about them moving to the U.S. to do so. Time to man-up, Republicans, and face the facts. We, not they, created this situation. Trump is an idiot, a complete and total idiot, and the GOP is thoroughly corrupt and bought-off by the super-rich. Everyone knows it--except for you. All Trump has to do to keep you in line is bloviate endlessly and mindlessly about the great immigrant "threat," when the only real threat to the nation and its democracy is the corporate abandonment of the American people and the theft of the nation's wealth. Instead of pi$$ing all over the poor and the jobless, why don't you aim for those who are really responsible for the economic devastation of this nation? Millions of jobs offshored, small towns across American now ghost towns, small business struggling against the behemoths of Walmart and Amazon, who swooped into the economic vacuum caused by the loss of those jobs, public education defunded, public lands threatened by international oil cartels, etc. And instead of being angry at the invisible rich who caused these unimaginable losses and threats, you target the victims. Way to go, morons.
Trump supporters are beyond stupid. The Democrats are playing a long game. They "caved," with the public promise from McConnell to have a clean DACA vote in three weeks, which sets the GOP up for a massive fail if they don't keep their promise.
A vote. No guarantee to pass anything.
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The Democrats are not voting for immigrants rather than for citizens; they are in support of DACA because it's the humane and decent thing to do.
It is neither humane nor decent to allow an entire group of people to violate Federal Law and suffer no consequence. All DACAs age 18.5+ are illegal aliens, and should be deported as required by Federal Immigration Law.
They can then apply to immigrate legally from their country of citizenship, if they do wish.
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What about Americans who don't break the law or don't they count? Even if any of us had ancestors that came here illegally what has that to do with us? I don't condone that for anyone. I'm not responsible for anyone else's behavior but my own. I get sick of these lame excuses to defend illegal aliens up to and including blurring the lines between legal and illegal.
