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Old 01-21-2018, 03:42 PM
 
Location: NNJ
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Being an illegal is already a crime.
Yes.. I've heard it dozens of times. repeated. Broken record.

DACA is an issue being discussed in our legislature. Just like many laws in years past, not all of them are infallible nor correct. The issue being discussed is whether or not the laws surrounding DACA recipients should be changed to provide a citizenship path for DACA.

No one is contesting that they are not legal status.... perhaps deferred status.


Letsee... if I can water this down.

Statement A is presented. The question posed is whether A is right or wrong... please discuss and establish a case.

You don't establish a case for A by simply stating A again.

its really simple.


Oh but wait! The article linked in question collects stats from the prison population which you seem to have missed. I pointed that out and the response was something totally irrelevant... that "being illegal is a crime".
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Old 01-21-2018, 03:46 PM
 
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No it is not. Makes you liable to be deported but it is an administrative non criminal statute.
“8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien
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(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.”
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Old 01-21-2018, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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“8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien
US Code
(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.”
Does not apply to children under the age of 18. And in general is not charged against most border crossers. And it would have to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt which is virtually impossible if not caught in the act.
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Old 01-21-2018, 04:39 PM
 
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Does not apply to children under the age of 18. And in general is not charged against most border crossers. And it would have to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt which is virtually impossible if not caught in the act.
Still the law on the book and applies to parents.
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Old 01-21-2018, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Still the law on the book and applies to parents.
Who are not Dreamers.
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Old 01-21-2018, 04:43 PM
 
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Libs and Dems how did it feel that your political party puts criminal illegals before
you and your family as a law abiding citizens?

DACA dreamers comes before you.
Not you abiding by the law and being an USA citizen.
The extreme leftists, who have taken over the Democrat party are perfectly fine with this. However, at least 25% of Democrats are still old school Democrats, but many of them have no idea about the plans of their party because they still watch so called 'mainstream' media outlets such as CBS or leftist cable outlets like CNN, which don't give them the honest picture. The longer this shutdown goes on, the more pieces will leak out into the public and the more people will understand that the Democrats are solely responsible for this shutdown purely over protecting illegal immigrants.
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Old 01-21-2018, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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The extreme leftists, who have taken over the Democrat party are perfectly fine with this. However, at least 25% of Democrats are still old school Democrats, but many of them have no idea about the plans of their party because they still watch so called 'mainstream' media outlets such as CBS or leftist cable outlets like CNN, which don't give them the honest picture. The longer this shutdown goes on, the more pieces will leak out into the public and the more people will understand that the Democrats are solely responsible for this shutdown purely over protecting illegal immigrants.
Yet another right wing garbage post.

The Republicans have failed at governing. Simple as that. They need to compromise and reasonably quickly or they will get slaughtered in November.
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Old 01-21-2018, 04:48 PM
 
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Yet another right wing garbage post.

The Republicans have failed at governing. Simple as that. They need to compromise and reasonably quickly or they will get slaughtered in November.
Yet another post full of hyperbole taken from memorized talking points from the Harveywood/media/Democrat elites. As far as your assertion on the elections, we will see! I believe we will see a solid Republican hold.
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Old 01-21-2018, 04:54 PM
 
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Even the NY Times is blaming Democrats for this and putting foreign people above the interest of Americans. "They are just doing jobs Americans don't want to do..."


Beginning in the 1990's illegal aliens flooded into the construction trades. Stagnated the going rates and made them go backwards.

A job I loved to do and took pride in what I did, I could no longer afford to do. Not that it was a job, no American wanted to do. No American wants to do it at the price now paid. Only people that can be exploited will do it for that cheap.

Price is one thing that is hard to overcome in competition, if everyone is not playing on a level field.

Now democrat politicians want to exploit them, for their disposable use.
Basic business and economic principles proves that illegals are contributing to stagnant wages.

Corporate America itself states that wages are based on a supply and demand chart or structure if you will. If they are hiring illegals they are circumenventing and working the system.

The Democrats cannot win this argument, the principles of business and economics are not on their side.

They are choosing illegals over Americans and American workers.
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Old 01-21-2018, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Yet another post full of hyperbole taken from memorized talking points from the Harveywood/media/Democrat elites. As far as your assertion on the elections, we will see! I believe we will see a solid Republican hold.
That is what it should have been. The off year should have been a chance for Republican gain. Now there is a good possibility of losing both houses.
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