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I am a Christian. I support separating children from their parents at the border 69 20.29%
I am a Christian. I do not support separating children from their parents at the border 80 23.53%
I am not a Christian. I support separating children from their parents at the border 59 17.35%
I am not a Christian. I do not support separating children from their parents at the border 132 38.82%
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Old 06-25-2018, 10:34 AM
 
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Then why are you quoting it? I've already quoted the 5th and shown how due process doesn't apply. Figured I'd shoot down any other irrelevant garbage you spew as well.
Admit your ignorance. It's been exposed

You don't know the 5th amendment from the 6th

 
Old 06-25-2018, 10:38 AM
 
Location: In the desert
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Wow just wow! Have you ever drank the koolaid! Those horrible conditions were 2000 miles and 2 countries away. They could have applied for asylum in Mexico City and avoided putting their kids through a few extra weeks of misery.



And what do you suggest? That we relocate the entire population of Honduras, Salvador, and Guatemala here?
OK stop right there. I have lived in AZ many years and many thousands have stayed in Mexico. I have seen it.
Who is creating a entire group of children who are traumatized and will grow up to hate?
What I suggest is some aid to these places so the conditions become better and these people won't try to flee here. We are spending the money to keep them out so divert it to aid. just a thought
 
Old 06-25-2018, 10:42 AM
 
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It's important to distinguish between people coming here and presenting themselves at border checks seeking asylum from those sneaking over the border hoping not to be caught. People have the right to due process, especially those asking for asylum, as guaranteed by our constitution. Children being taken away from asylum seekers is a crime against humanity and has the Statue of Liberty crying. They have broken no laws. Where I live in Michigan a private foster care service has been getting babies and toddlers from the border in since April. Someone I know works there and says they come with no paper trail of who they are or where their parents are. No data base. How is that okay with anyone?

That's not possible, at the very least they would have the Arrival Record. Even kids without identity papers would have that.
 
Old 06-25-2018, 10:49 AM
 
Location: In the desert
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That's not possible, at the very least they would have the Arrival Record. Even kids without identity papers would have that.
Sorry but, it IS happening. This was all done without any plan and now this mess. If what you say is true we could reunite these kids quickly couldn't we? Then why aren't we?
 
Old 06-25-2018, 10:54 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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Wow just wow! many of these people are fleeing horrible conditions and are taking a chance with their own lives and that of their children because to stay would be certain harm or death. We are mistreating children that are already traumatized,does this not bother you as a human being?
I am not a Dem but, I certainly know whose fault this is. Trump administration devised all of this without any plan to fire up his base and blames it on the Dems. The GOP has full control so how the heck you can believe its the fault of dems is almost delusional. Using people as pawns belongs solely to Trump.
Face it friend, your president doesn't like black or brown people.
If constitutional rights to due process are removed it can and will eventually effect anyone who the leaders feel it should. It is going down a very slippery slope.
President Trump has accomplished getting Americans to begin to hate one another. I find that deplorable.

Wish I could give you a rep point for this post but I've got spread them around, I guess. It truly is deplorable that so many people seem willing to throw out Due Process. The border crisis with these kids was sole manufactured by the president's actions.
 
Old 06-25-2018, 11:04 AM
 
Location: In the desert
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Wish I could give you a rep point for this post but I've got spread them around, I guess. It truly is deplorable that so many people seem willing to throw out Due Process. The border crisis with these kids was sole manufactured by the president's actions.
So very true. It is dividing our country more than I have ever seen. Very sad
 
Old 06-25-2018, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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That's not possible, at the very least they would have the Arrival Record. Even kids without identity papers would have that.
They have no plan at all, if they did I'm pretty sure they would be very proud to publish it and demonstrate that they are not as incompetent as they appear, don't you agree?

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Parents and their representatives have been left struggling to find out where the children went, and because of secretive procedures protecting children in government custody due to privacy concerns, there is no straightforward way to look up a child in the system. Parents have been given hotline numbers to call that users describe as byzantine and hard to get through. Also, once children are in HHS custody, procedures require that they be released to someone who qualifies as a "sponsor" under the agency's policies, which would almost certainly exclude an adult in DHS detention facilities, meaning parents can't be reunited until the government decides to release them or deport them.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/23/polit...lan/index.html
 
Old 06-25-2018, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Wish I could give you a rep point for this post but I've got spread them around, I guess. It truly is deplorable that so many people seem willing to throw out Due Process. The border crisis with these kids was sole manufactured by the president's actions.
Exactly! And we have people here twisting in the wind trying to reinterpret the constitution in a way that it somehow justifies the policies of this disgusting administration.
 
Old 06-25-2018, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Correct. Illegal invaders should receive no due process, no rights, and no expectation of kind treatment. Invading our border should be met with cold, harsh, bounce back. If you want asylum, apply for it. Before coming. You don't have a right to it. You ask for it. And if the answer is no, you make the best of it in your own country.
In any case, we have a short memory with the 24 hour news cycle. This was and is an organized invasion. Let's go back to April.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1HA01X
Yes, let's just repeal the entire constitution in order to legitimize the actions of Trump the idiot.
 
Old 06-25-2018, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Wow just wow! many of these people are fleeing horrible conditions and are taking a chance with their own lives and that of their children because to stay would be certain harm or death. We are mistreating children that are already traumatized,does this not bother you as a human being?
I am not a Dem but, I certainly know whose fault this is. Trump administration devised all of this without any plan to fire up his base and blames it on the Dems. The GOP has full control so how the heck you can believe its the fault of dems is almost delusional. Using people as pawns belongs solely to Trump.
Face it friend, your president doesn't like black or brown people.
If constitutional rights to due process are removed it can and will eventually effect anyone who the leaders feel it should. It is going down a very slippery slope.
President Trump has accomplished getting Americans to begin to hate one another. I find that deplorable.
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Originally Posted by Wayland Woman View Post
Wish I could give you a rep point for this post but I've got spread them around, I guess. It truly is deplorable that so many people seem willing to throw out Due Process. The border crisis with these kids was sole manufactured by the president's actions.
I agree! No matter how much Trump tries to blame Democrats for mistreating and separating families, this is entirely on him. I truly believe that he loves the idea of turning our great country into a fascist dictatorship, with him being the leader forever! Scary to even think about!!
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