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Old 06-07-2018, 09:03 AM
 
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Probably not that simple. But, I respect your opinion.
Actually, when it is your body someone else is attempting to control, it is that simple.

 
Old 06-07-2018, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Actually, when it is your body someone else is attempting to control, it is that simple.
Well, I repeat

Unfortunately there's no agreement in medicine, philosophy or theology as to what stage of foetal development should be associated with the right to life.

If there is an universal answer of when life truly starts, then the issue will be simple. Since there is no universal answer, it is not a simple issue for me. That is why I don't believe the DEBATE is constructive. But you don't like what I said, so there is really no reasons to continue.

Just know that I don't judge any women for the decision they make. They do what they have to do.
 
Old 06-07-2018, 09:10 AM
 
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If there is an universal answer of when life truly starts, then the issue will be simple.
If life doesn't start at conception, then why abort it? Dead things don't grow. Leave it alone and it will grow because it is a life.
 
Old 06-07-2018, 09:11 AM
 
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Well, I repeat

Unfortunately there's no agreement in medicine, philosophy or theology as to what stage of foetal development should be associated with the right to life.

If there is an universal answer of when life truly starts, then the issue will be simple. Since there is no universal answer, it is not a simple issue for me. That is why I don't believe the DEBATE is constructive. But you don't like what I said, so there is really no reasons to continue.
Stop deflecting. I said that when it becomes personal, as in, when it is your body, and some strangers, who have absolutely zero to do with you or your life, are attempting to force you to do something with it that you don't want to do, you might suddenly find you do have an opinion after all.

It's easy to sit on the fence when you have nothing at stake personally.
 
Old 06-07-2018, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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If life doesn't start at conception, then why abort it? Dead things don't grow. Leave it alone and it will grow because it is a life.
well, Earlier I said, I don't believe the DEBATE is constructive, here is why

Assuming that fertilization and implantation all go perfectly, scientists can reasonably disagree about when personhood begins. An embryologist might say gastrulation, which is when an embryo can no longer divide to form identical twins. A neuroscientist might say when one can measure brainwaves. As a doctor, Horvath-Cosper says, “I have come to the conclusion that the pregnant woman gets to decide when it’s a person.”
 
Old 06-07-2018, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Stop deflecting. I said that when it becomes personal, as in, when it is your body, and some strangers, who have absolutely zero to do with you or your life, are attempting to force you to do something with it that you don't want to do, you might suddenly find you do have an opinion after all.

It's easy to sit on the fence when you have nothing at stake personally.
I said, "I won't judge women either way, and they do what they have to do"

You came up with the above?

you need to find somebody else to ARGUE with then.
 
Old 06-07-2018, 09:22 AM
 
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Assuming that fertilization and implantation all go perfectly, scientists can reasonably disagree about when personhood begins.


Your post said "when life truly starts" so my comment was to that.
 
Old 06-07-2018, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Your post said "when life truly starts" so my comment was to that.
I said, there is no universal answer to that question, and that question is "When does life begin?"

I don't agree or disagree with either side because I simply don't know.

I can see your side of the argument, if you believe life begins at conception, then of course you are entitled to that opinion and you should be allowed to live your life according to what you believe. I am sure abortion is not even a possibility / option for you, I can certainly respect that too.
 
Old 06-07-2018, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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If life doesn't start at conception, then why abort it? Dead things don't grow. Leave it alone and it will grow because it is a life.
But that life has to use a womans body to grow. How about a law that requires men to lend their bodies to help others live? All men must be in a live organ donation program. If a match is found you must give bone marrow, maybe a kidney, blood, etc to keep someone else alive.

Oh what? That would be infringing on a mans right to bodily autonomy?
 
Old 06-07-2018, 09:35 AM
 
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If life doesn't start at conception, then why abort it? Dead things don't grow. Leave it alone and it will grow because it is a life.
Technically all cells in our body are alive.
Even cancerous tumors are dividing live cells that will grow if you leave them alone.
So should we not remove cancer or cankerous organs?
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