Trump says US is entirely to blame for bad relations with Russia. Russia agrees. (examples, salesman)

[reed067]

Originally Posted by Winterfall8324

So you think he’s wrong. You think Putin is the bad guy and Bush Senior, Clinton, W, and Obama haven’t done everything in their power to keep Russia down.

Do you really believe that?

I don't think he's being honest with us that's for damn sure something is VERY wrong with this situation.
Why the sudden push to bring Russia back to G7? Why not let Russia prove themselves first? Putin admitted he wanted Trump to win maybe because Trump is more gullible then Hillary was and he could play him. No fan of Hillary myself but having Trump putting down our intelligence community and hold Putin in higher regard.. Something just isn't right about that.

[Salmonburgher]

This David P. Goldman article is a good read:

Once Again, President Trump Is Magnificently Right—This Time About Russia

I have no reason to doubt the allegations that a dozen Russian intelligence officers meddled in the U.S. elections of 2016, but this was equivalent of a fraternity prank compared to America’s longstanding efforts to intervene in Russian politics. ... The United States supported the 2014 Maidan uprising in Ukraine and the overthrow of the Yanukovych government in the hope of repeating the exercise in Moscow sometime later. Then-Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland pulled whatever strings America had to replace the feckless and corrupt Victor Yanukovych with a government hostile to the Kremlin. She didn’t say it in so many words, but she hoped the Ukraine coup would lead to the overthrow of Vladimir Putin. Evidently Nuland and her boss, Hillary Clinton, thought that the Ukraine coup would deprive Russia of its Black Sea naval base in Crimea, and did not anticipate that Russia simply would annex an old Russian province that belonged to Ukraine by historical accident. ... The Maidan coup was the second American attempt to install a Ukrainian government hostile to Moscow; the first occurred in 2004, when Condoleezza Rice was secretary of State rather than Hillary Clinton. As I wrote in Asia Times a decade ago, “On the night of November 22, 2004, then-Russian president - now premier - Vladimir Putin watched the television news in his dacha near Moscow. People who were with Putin that night report his anger and disbelief at the unfolding 'Orange' revolution in Ukraine. ‘They lied to me,’ Putin said bitterly of the United States. ‘I'll never trust them again.’ The Russians still can't fathom why the West threw over a potential strategic alliance for Ukraine.

[sware2cod]

Originally Posted by It'sAutomatic

Trump on his Apology Tour. Russia is our friend, the FBI is our enemy.

Act B:
"I think the European Union is a foe" - Donald J Trump (doing Vladimir Putin's bidding)

[michiganmoon]

Originally Posted by Salmonburgher

This David P. Goldman article is a good read:

Once Again, President Trump Is Magnificently Right—This Time About Russia

I have no reason to doubt the allegations that a dozen Russian intelligence officers meddled in the U.S. elections of 2016, but this was equivalent of a fraternity prank compared to America’s longstanding efforts to intervene in Russian politics. ... The United States supported the 2014 Maidan uprising in Ukraine and the overthrow of the Yanukovych government in the hope of repeating the exercise in Moscow sometime later. Then-Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland pulled whatever strings America had to replace the feckless and corrupt Victor Yanukovych with a government hostile to the Kremlin. She didn’t say it in so many words, but she hoped the Ukraine coup would lead to the overthrow of Vladimir Putin. Evidently Nuland and her boss, Hillary Clinton, thought that the Ukraine coup would deprive Russia of its Black Sea naval base in Crimea, and did not anticipate that Russia simply would annex an old Russian province that belonged to Ukraine by historical accident. ... The Maidan coup was the second American attempt to install a Ukrainian government hostile to Moscow; the first occurred in 2004, when Condoleezza Rice was secretary of State rather than Hillary Clinton. As I wrote in Asia Times a decade ago, “On the night of November 22, 2004, then-Russian president - now premier - Vladimir Putin watched the television news in his dacha near Moscow. People who were with Putin that night report his anger and disbelief at the unfolding 'Orange' revolution in Ukraine. ‘They lied to me,’ Putin said bitterly of the United States. ‘I'll never trust them again.’ The Russians still can't fathom why the West threw over a potential strategic alliance for Ukraine.

This is a reasonable point.

The US constantly meddles in other countries' elections.

Bill Clinton got Yeltsin to win the 1996 election through meddling. We meddle all over for years - including inside of Russia, around Russia, and targeting Russia.

We are to some extent hypocrites for screaming bloody murder and acting like Russia doing some facebook posts and hacking is unique and unprovoked.

[i_love_autumn]

Originally Posted by r small

Absolutely. Trump is willing to throw the entire planet under the bus rather than have Putin release the videos of Trump being urinated on by two Russian hookers.

You got it!

[Nanny Goat]

Originally Posted by elyn02

Lashing out at Russia or taking blame are not our only choices. Trump was wrong to blame the US for bad relations with Russia. Both countries caused the downward spiral.

Well, Trump IS causing the downward spiral here in the US. He's spewing his treason right in front of our dam* faces. It doesn't get worse than this. I wouldn't be worried about our "relationship" with Russia at this point!

[Scooby Snacks]

Originally Posted by r small

Absolutely. Trump is willing to throw the entire planet under the bus rather than have Putin release the videos of Trump being urinated on by two Russian hookers.

And his supporters say Obama was corrupt

[Winterfall8324]

Originally Posted by Scooby Snacks

And his supporters say Obama was corrupt

Corruption is using breaking international law to put your crony in as leader of another country.

That is what we did in Ukraine and yet you don’t care.

[wallflash]

Originally Posted by michiganmoon

This is a reasonable point.

The US constantly meddles in other countries' elections.

Bill Clinton got Yeltsin to win the 1996 election through meddling. We meddle all over for years - including inside of Russia, around Russia, and targeting Russia.

We are to some extent hypocrites for screaming bloody murder and acting like Russia doing some facebook posts and hacking is unique and unprovoked.

The hypocrites are the ones who would be screaming bloody murder about the Kenyan born Muslim agent selling the US out to the commies and starting impeachment motions had Obama done this . But because the Master has said there is nothing to worry about, the cult shrugs and accepts what would have driven them into a blind fury had this been Obama .

[AFP]

Originally Posted by wallflash

No, not an apology tour. An azz kissing tour. Putin owned Trump and yanked him around like a dog on a leash, getting him to do the amazing stunt of throwing his own country under the bus . Trump is Putins b*tch now and the world now realizes it.


In other words, Putin just grabbed Trump by the p*ssy and made Trump take it, and act like he liked it .

And Trump moaned and placated like a submissive little b*itch while Putin gave it to him.