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View Poll Results: Would Trump lashing out at Putin have helped solve our problems with Russia, or would it have made t
It would have helped resolve them 32 37.21%
It would have made them worse 54 62.79%
Voters: 86. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-16-2018, 09:10 PM
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Seriously I’m tired of being called a Russian bot by statist like yourselves.

But unlike you understand why Russia is our enemy today and I understand this anti-Russian rhetoric is used to support pro-war mentality in Ukraine, Syria, and elsewhere.

The US empire must live on and imperialist like you would rather focus on Trump admitting a perfectly correct fact than fighting him on his drone policy, or his support of war crimes in Yemen, or Somalia.

But liberals like you don’t because Obama already did all that. I don’t like Trump or Putin. But I hate the FBI, CIA, and the government military complex and people like you who defend it are part of the problem.

You don't know enough about what I think to arrive at any conclusion. I don't share anything in detail with random people on this forum.


You definitely post very pro-Trump I distinctly recall your strange posts during the campaign and after the election because they were so bizarre.
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Old 07-16-2018, 09:12 PM
 
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Can we attack isreal for spying on us and lock up Trump for leaking classified info to the Mossad????
Who is talking about attacking Russia? Not doing that doesn't mean our Commander-in-Chief has to act like their lap dog.
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Old 07-16-2018, 09:16 PM
 
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Lashing out at Russia or taking blame are not our only choices. Trump was wrong to blame the US for bad relations with Russia. Both countries caused the downward spiral.
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Old 07-16-2018, 09:16 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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What of my statement indicates a criticism of a stance against non-aggression? My knock is against that wing that fronts itself as an unwavering brick-wall against war aggression, imperialism, interventionism, expansionism yet falls in line like an acquiescent servant to play government lawyers for governments such as Iran, Syria, Russia, etc... if for nothing else than for the asinine opinion that even disagreeing with their obviously criminal behaviors may give the appearance of falling for supposed U.S. government indoctrination and beating the war drums. You can equally:

Oppose Assad's genocidal rampage against his own civilians and U.S. involvement in Syria.
Oppose Russia's annexation of Ukrainian territory and U.S. involvement in Ukraine.
Oppose Russia's election interference and America's likewise election interference.

Not so apparently if you're a Glenn Greenwald Leftist or a Ron Paul Libertarian.
1.) You called libertarians "Anti-American," when we're the only ones who actually represent what America itself was supposed represent.

2.) Assad didn't commit genocide against his own people; U.S. taxpayer-funded White Helmets (ISIS) did.
2a.) The U.S. installed literal neo-nazis in Ukraine, at U.S. taxpayer expense.
2b.) Most libertarians, especially ancaps, don't vote or other wise participate in the political process.

I only care about property rights and non-aggression. Stealing my income to fund an empire is an act of aggression against me. I really couldn't care less what other countries do, just as long as they don't threaten me directly.
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Old 07-16-2018, 09:17 PM
 
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I see nothing lost.



It's OK to be proud of America again.



The economy is booming. Small business is growing by leaps and bounds.



The globalists are on the run.



And the MSM addicted leftists & Trump haters are losing their minds.





Life is very very good under Trump.
The economic boom preceded Trump's election.
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Old 07-16-2018, 09:18 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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Kiev is the first capital of Russia; Russia grew out of Kiev, and later incorporated the "Ukrainian part" into its Empire. And then this very Empire wrestled Crimea from Tatars.
Learn history for Christ's sake, before you jump into discussions.
The first capital of Rus' was Novgorod (or Staraya Ladoga) , not Kiev. Kiev was never the capital of the Russian state. Kiev was the first capital of Medieval or Kievan Rus' of which Ukrainians, Russians, and Belarusians trace their origination.
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Old 07-16-2018, 09:22 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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So far every post here is pathetic, what a bunch of cry babies. Hillary would have already turned this country into a ****hole by now
That “but...but...but... Hillary” stuff is really getting old.

I guess when you’re trying to defend the indefensible you have to go with what you’ve got, no matter how irrelevant.
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Old 07-16-2018, 09:22 PM
 
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Putin is not a dictator
yes, yes he is.

I strongly suggest you spend some time learning more about Putin. You should learn about how when term limited were reached putin installed a puppet, had the term limits removed and took back power.

Or how he has murdered thousands of people who resist his dictatorship. Or how he shut down all media outlets that resisted him and turned the remaining ones into propaganda outlets.
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Old 07-16-2018, 09:27 PM
 
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Are you aware we do the same to them and other countries?
I am upset with Trump's "performance" today, but you are right.

I was upset with CNN today, such biased hypocrisy I had too turn it off. They had a panel going on and on about Russia meddling in other countries elections for years...which makes them bullies and anti-democratic.

...not one mentioned: "we do all of these bad things we are stating Russia does, and we've been doing it for just as long if not longer than them."

Russia should be taken to task, but we need to look in the mirror some.

I think it is hypocritical to meddle in other elections including inside of Russia and then scream bloody murder when it comes back around. With that said...where was "America First?" Where was telling Putin he was full of it, when he denied that Russia meddles in other countries politics? We all know that both the US and Russia does that and have done it for decades.

Why not just look at Putin and tell him straight up that both countries meddle and he isn't fooling anyone to say they don't?
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Old 07-16-2018, 09:36 PM
 
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That “but...but...but... Hillary” stuff is really getting old.

I guess when you’re trying to defend the indefensible you have to go with what you’ve got, no matter how irrelevant.
It's not irrelevant. We were choosing between Trump and Hillary. You can't vote for Hillary and then say that Trump isn't fit to be President because he did something that Hillary also did.
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