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Old 11-18-2018, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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Originally Posted by BeerGeek40 View Post
So far I've heard very little in this threat about solutions and holding CA government to some level of accountability. I have heard:

* Trump's an idiot
* Trump knows nothing about fire management
* Finland is different because of it's climate. No kidding.


I may know nothing about how to prevent forest fires, but I do know this:

* CA politicians are doing an awful job
* The utilities have been woefully under-regulated
* The state, federal, and local authorities need to get a system in place and start working together. * Having fires burn out of control like this, and 1000 people missing... is not acceptable.
In all the western states I know anything about, there are multiple inter-agency agreements between all levels of government (and many private entities involved with firefighting), regarding fire response, including inter-state compacts. The problem is that there are not enough firefighters during the height of the fire season, and the fire season is getting longer every year. These compacts work amazingly well, despite the lack of sufficient resources.

As for the fire intensity - YOU may not believe in climate change, but most wildfire fighters do. And unless we figure out a way to irrigate the forests, fire behavior is going to become more intense. We can do a lot more to ameliorate the effects, but we can't stop it, no matter what we do.

Ponder this map - https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...gtype=Homepage - and ask yourself how many firefighters it would have taken to control this.

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Old 11-18-2018, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Southern West Virginia
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Last I looked we don't have out of control forest fires in my state.
Obviously. If you don’t know that forest fires are far more common in the Western US and other dry places, then you really shouldn’t be talking about the subject. Of course a humid climate like PA will rarely have forest fires.
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Old 11-18-2018, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Originally Posted by BeerGeek40 View Post
So far I've heard very little in this threat about solutions and holding CA government to some level of accountability. I have heard:

* Trump's an idiot
* Trump knows nothing about fire management
* Finland is different because of it's climate. No kidding.


I may know nothing about how to prevent forest fires, but I do know this:

* CA politicians are doing an awful job
* The utilities have been woefully under-regulated
* The state, federal, and local authorities need to get a system in place and start working together.
* Having fires burn out of control like this, and 1000 people missing... is not acceptable.
So far in this thread, people have repeatedly pointed out to you that most of California's forests are FEDERALLY owned and thus, FEDERALLY managed, a fact you are ignoring.

Let me repeat ...

Most of California's forests are FEDERALLY owned and managed. Thus, most of the forests in California are NOT the responsibility of the state of California government.

Most of California's forests are FEDERALLY owned and managed. Thus, most of the forests in California are NOT the responsibility of the state of California government.

Most of California's forests are FEDERALLY owned and managed. Thus, most of the forests in California are NOT the responsibility of the state of California government.

Most of California's forests are FEDERALLY owned and managed. Thus, most of the forests in California are NOT the responsibility of the state of California government.

Most of California's forests are FEDERALLY owned and managed. Thus, most of the forests in California are NOT the responsibility of the state of California government.

Got it?
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Old 11-18-2018, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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Finland's President is not sure what Trump is talking about.

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Old 11-18-2018, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Last I looked we don't have out of control forest fires in my state.
Geeze, I can't believe how ignorant this statement is.

Pennsylvania, like most of the eastern half of the US, is either wet and/or cold all year round. Wet weather and cold weather prevents forest fires. The western US, and in particular the west coast, are dry for half the year or more, particularly during the summer. So you get hot dry weather for much of the year, which is why you get so many forest fires.

It's unbelievable I even have to explain that!
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Old 11-18-2018, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Self explanatory
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Well, that would give me a warm and cozy feeling knowing that the CA legislature is going to review things. Where have they been for the last 25 years? This isn't exactly a new item. It starts with better regulation of the electric utilities.
Then you'd be on here crying about more regulations in the out of control liberal hell of California.
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Old 11-18-2018, 03:40 PM
 
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Finland's President is not sure what Trump is talking about.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.4c4bb53f1a00
We can't really be sure if Finland's President is being honest, because if he's a Trump-hater then he'll say anything to oppose Trump.
Trump-hater's emotions tend to get the better of them, as we know all too well.
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Old 11-18-2018, 03:42 PM
 
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We can't really be sure if Finland's President is being honest, because if he's a Trump-hater then he'll say anything to oppose Trump.
Their emotions tend to get the better of them, as we know all too well.
A Trump hater? How could anyone not hate and have disdain for such a crook and liar? Were you raised to adore and respect grifters that would rip off your life savings at a bogus university?
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Old 11-18-2018, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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Geeze, I can't believe how ignorant this statement is.

Pennsylvania, like most of the eastern half of the US, is either wet and/or cold all year round. Wet weather and cold weather prevents forest fires. The western US, and in particular the west coast, are dry for half the year or more, particularly during the summer. So you get hot dry weather for much of the year, which is why you get so many forest fires.

It's unbelievable I even have to explain that!
The OP may not be familiar with concepts like moisture, humidity and temperature.
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Old 11-18-2018, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Then you'd be on here crying about more regulations in the out of control liberal hell of California.
Nope, not this guy. This is the big picture stuff where we need government to regulate.
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