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Old 12-12-2018, 09:37 PM
 
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Originally Posted by oceangaia View Post
Why pass it in the House if it won't pass in the Senate? What's the difference between a bill that passes one chamber and a bill that passes no chambers? Answer - nothing.



But it IS possible it wouldn't pass the House as it stands. If I'm a rep(R) and I know it would fail in the Senate, I might not expend my political capital to pass it whereas if I knew it would pass in the Senate I might not want to be the one to kill it.
To prove a point.

Trump claims it will pass the House easily and it is just the 10 votes in the Senate holding things up so he wants to make a deal.
Pelosi says -- hold on cowboy --you don't have the votes.

And if you are keeping up at all with Republican House news -- it seems they don't have the votes. They can't agree on how to fund the wall -- they being those Republicans.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4...5b-wall-demand
By Wednesday evening, GOP leaders still had not settled on what vehicle they would use to fund the wall or if they would even take a vote this week to do so. Lawmakers in the House have until Dec. 21 to avert a partial government shutdown and are only scheduled to work four of those days.

So why would the Democrats bother to 'make a deal', make concessions to give Trump his funding when his own party can't agree on how to get it done.

Let the House Republicans get themselves sorted, vote & then Trump can sit Schumer down and say -- look I have the votes in the House -- let's get together on this.

 
Old 12-12-2018, 09:40 PM
 
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I didn't realize the shutdown deadline was the 21st. Here's the thing -- that leaves 13 days before the Democrats take over the House. I don't see the Democrats caving for 13 days.........

Why did Trump wait so long.
 
Old 12-12-2018, 09:45 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Originally Posted by oceangaia View Post
Why pass it in the House if it won't pass in the Senate? What's the difference between a bill that passes one chamber and a bill that passes no chambers? Answer - nothing.

But it IS possible it wouldn't pass the House as it stands. If I'm a rep(R) and I know it would fail in the Senate, I might not expend my political capital to pass it whereas if I knew it would pass in the Senate I might not want to be the one to kill it.
If they had the votes in the house they would pass it, don't kid yourself.
 
Old 12-12-2018, 10:47 PM
 
Location: Alaska
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MEXICO CITY (The Borowitz Report)—Hoping to resolve the seemingly intractable conflict over immigration, Mexico surprised the world on Thursday by agreeing to pay for Donald J. Trump’s psychiatric care.
Speaking to reporters, the Mexican President, Enrique Peña Nieto, said that he had authorized funding for the psychiatry and proclaimed, “Work on Donald Trump could begin tomorrow.”
Peña Nieto displayed several photographs showing prototypes of therapists, including a bearded Freudian analyst who he said came highly recommended.
While some Mexican taxpayers argued that a full course of psychiatric treatment could prove more costly than a border wall, Peña Nieto warned against skimping on such a necessary expense.
“When the safety and security of the world is at stake, eight hundred dollars an hour is a bargain,” he said, but added that Mexico would try to find a therapist who takes insurance.
 
Old 12-13-2018, 12:27 AM
 
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Why would you care when it would still be cheaper to fund the wall than the continued expense of the over $100 billion a year that illegal aliens cost us? You'd be saving money.
Is this a figure you heard from where? Something the orange one pulled out of his pedacus?
 
Old 12-13-2018, 12:39 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Trump PROMISED Mexico would pay for the wall. I'm holding Trump to that promise - after all he said it a zillion times on the campaign trail.

Mexico coughs up the dough or no wall......
 
Old 12-13-2018, 01:21 AM
 
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
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Why would you care when it would still be cheaper to fund the wall than the continued expense of the over $100 billion a year that illegal aliens cost us? You'd be saving money.


I certainly don't care one way or another who pays for it based on the above. The bottom line is that we need the wall for the safety and security of our citizens. You and yours have your priorities all screwed up. Your foaming at the mouth hatred of Trump blinds you to that. Has every president always kept every promise that they made? Most of the time it wasn't because they were lying but because they weren't able to fulfill their promises even though they tried. Presidents aren't dictators you know but because it's Trump you won't cut him any slack. The wall isn't going to cost you one thin dime vs the costs of illegal immigration so your lame arguments are moot!


Were you and yours just as enraged when congress passed the wall bill back in 2006? Of course you weren't but this is Trump trying to fund it and build it, so............Hypocrites!
How many times do people have to tell you that the 2006 bill was for a fence, not a massive wall? There was no wall bill in 2006. People have posted the link for the fence bill.
 
Old 12-13-2018, 03:05 AM
 
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Trump PROMISED Mexico would pay for the wall. I'm holding Trump to that promise - after all he said it a zillion times on the campaign trail.

Mexico coughs up the dough or no wall......
Agreed
 
Old 12-13-2018, 03:55 AM
 
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If all the Mexican drug cartels pitched in, they would definitely have enough money for the wall..
 
Old 12-13-2018, 04:09 AM
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I wonder if Trump borrowed $100 million dollars from a wall building contractor with a promise that there would be a wall? That's the only reason anyone would use a bulwark in 2019 as a deterrent to immigration or border security. Can't they use a giant pain field generator?
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