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Old 03-10-2019, 11:20 AM
 
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It's like you are totally unaware of history

https://www.history.com/news/when-po...apal-apologies



The world is moving on from this backwards ass thinking that homosexuality is a sin and homosexuals should be shunned.

This backwards ass thinking should be called out at every turn. Let those who held those beliefs (cast the first stone) repent and ask forgiveness and come live with us in the 21st century
Oh, it can spread across generations; one a little less, next more so, and on to not at all. My parents, born 1920's, not only had a gay family member raising a child with her partner, but certainly family members who were divorced, re-married, and raising children "out of Catholic wedlock". If they cannot condemn their own, they will be less likely to condemn strangers for doing the same.

Example? My younger daughter's MIL is what I would call a religious fanatic. I know she is very unhappy about her grandsons not being baptized and raised in religion. Even worse is when my older gay daughter and her wife are in the house. Dead silence. She doesn't talk to any of us, me included. At least she knows enough to just bite her tongue because I will defend all of them, and throw back some quotes of my own from Catholic school. "Ye who is without sin be the first to cast the first stone".
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Old 03-10-2019, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Northwest Peninsula
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Attendance is what keeps the collection plates full, though. The dropping attendance is what is leading to so many Catholic churches and schools closing. A parish can't survive if they can't fill the pews.

Isn't one of the reason that Catholic churches are closing is because of all the money they are paying out to cover the cost of lawsuits due to misconduct by their priest.
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Old 03-10-2019, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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It's like you are totally unaware of history

https://www.history.com/news/when-po...apal-apologies



The world is moving on from this backwards ass thinking that homosexuality is a sin and homosexuals should be shunned.

This backwards ass thinking should be called out at every turn. Let those who held those beliefs (cast the first stone) repent and ask forgiveness and come live with us in the 21st century
Good luck with that. The Church has changed and will continue to change. But that change will come from within. Not from those intent on attacking the Church at every turn for its beliefs.
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Old 03-10-2019, 11:50 AM
 
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Not from those intent on attacking the Church at every turn for its beliefs.
Their abhorrent beliefs should be attacked
Not ignored
Certainly not defended
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Old 03-10-2019, 11:52 AM
 
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Isn't one of the reason that Catholic churches are closing is because of all the money they are paying out to cover the cost of lawsuits due to misconduct by their priest.
No, they are closing because attendance is down. I was on the school board of my local Catholic grammar school for two years back in the '90s, and the dropping enrollment in the school was the big issue. We tried to keep the school solvent by consolidating classes and cutting out music and art and gym classes, but it ended up closing a few years after I left the board, and being merged into three other surrounding parish schools.

There were six Masses every Sunday and one on Saturday night when I was growing up, and they were all full. Now there are two Sunday Masses and the church is not even half full. The Catholic Church is dying in this country. Now whether or not their shielding of pedophiles in their clergy played a role, I don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me.
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Old 03-10-2019, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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Their abhorrent beliefs should be attacked
Not ignored
Certainly not defended
Again, good luck with attacking a private organization that no one forces you to associate with or join.
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Old 03-10-2019, 12:05 PM
 
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Again, good luck with attacking a private organization that no one forces you to associate with or join.
Thank you
Don't need luck
Have truth
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Old 03-10-2019, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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Thank you
Don't need luck
Have truth
How'd that work out with attacks against Chick fil a? Backfired majorly, and the business continues to grow tremendously. And it will backfire here. But, if it makes you feel better, by all means.

By the way, you have "your" truth. I may agree with your truth, but that is my belief.
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Old 03-10-2019, 12:16 PM
 
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How'd that work out with attacks against Chick fil a? Backfired majorly, and the business continues to grow tremendously. And it will backfire here. But, if it makes you feel better, by all means.

By the way, you have "your" truth. I may agree with your truth, but that is my belief.
It's attitudes like this that are hastening the demise of the Catholic Church. The younger generations don't share your archaic views of gays and have abandoned the Church in droves because of how backwards it is.

But you keep sticking to your beliefs and support an institution that demonizes people for being the way God made them. You can feel good about that bigotry as you watch your Church sink into well-deserved oblivion.
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Old 03-10-2019, 12:22 PM
 
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If anyone read the Rev.'s letter it might shed a little light on his approach to this. Like it or not there are rules in the Catholic church that they must follow and the diocese is in control and none of this will change overnight. No matter how much you want it to do so.
this is not Christ's rule.

this kind of nonesense and more I could go into has stopped my volunteering for church events though I was very active at one time
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