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Old 05-19-2019, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Caribou, Me.
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And, as I already said, "leftist" here would be "conservative there." Most of our left is not really that far out (some are, but Dems mostly ignore them.) The people who won in Australia are what we Dems would have voted for too.

Agreed on polls too. UK Media said the royal baby would be James or Alexander. ARCHIE?
Nah, my old party (the Dems) have gone bat sh*t crazy and into the far-left ditch. I don’t even recognize them any more.

Two examples of many: they came within a whisker of having a socialist——A SOCIALIST—-as their nominee in 2016. And the candidate who was a moderate got less than 1% of the vote to be their nominee.
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Old 05-19-2019, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Florida
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The Liberal–National Coalition, which seems to have won, has been the ruling party for some time now, so Australians should not expect much to change.

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Old 05-19-2019, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Florida
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So, what does this mean to us Americans? What’s the significance? Is the United States gonna become more conservative as a result of this?
Liberal–National Coalition in Australia is about as conservative as Dems are in US, maybe even less so.
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Old 05-19-2019, 11:52 AM
 
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Liberal–National Coalition in Australia is about as conservative as Dems are in US.
B.S. They are not.

The Democrats left in this country would go all in with the standard socialist economic power grab that they currently are presenting under the very thin veil of global warming alarmism. That is what the leftists in Australia ran on and it was a big part of the reason they were rejected.

The news here is what and who was rejected probably even more than who actually won.
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Old 05-19-2019, 11:56 AM
 
Location: Florida
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B.S. They are not.
Yes, they are. They promote public health care, education etc things which you would call socialism.

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The Democrats left in this country would go all in with the standard socialist economic power grab
You say that, but the Dems do not.

Why do you insist on misrepresenting them?

Socialism is government owned and operated means of production, and no one is suggesting such system in US.
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Old 05-19-2019, 12:01 PM
 
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Yes, they are. They promote public health care, education etc things which you would call socialism.

You say that, but the Dems do not.

Why do you insist on misrepresenting them?

Socialism is government owned and operated means of production, and no one is suggesting such system in US.
I am a conservative and I support government oversight of healthcare, education, etc. So do nearly all conservatives.

Also, socialism is not limited to government owned means of production. But it does advocate government control over the means of production to the greatest degree possible. Which is exactly what the leftists both here and in Australia are focused on doing with their politically contrived and misleading "Climate change" agenda.
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Old 05-19-2019, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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While what you say is technically true, we’ve got enough data out of the last three Western elections (US, UK, Aus) to make a fair assertion that the battle of conservatism vs progressivism is based on many of the same specific values and policies across these countries. The names of the parties may change, but the wants and desires are about the same in each country.
Well, the issues that animate the Right in the US - such as abortion, health care - aren't so in the UK, Australia, and Canada counterparts. That's also the case in Israeli politics, which is even more complicated.

It's really not very useful to try to view comparative politics in other countries through an America-centric lens.
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Old 05-19-2019, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Apparently there are people in this nation who don't know what the role of the media is. Incredible.
The role of Media is to report facts, not differently twist and distort information for purposes of influence peddling.

At one time, you could get a degree in journalism. You got a BA in Journalism. Now there's only a handful of schools that offer a journalism degree (Ohio University in Athens, Ohio is one).

Now, you get a BA in Mass Communications or Media Communications.

The curriculum is vastly different.

The curriculum for mass communications relies heavily on the techniques created by Josef Goebbels.

Early on, the text-books were proud to admit that, but it hasn't been Politically Correct for some time, so text-books over the last 15 years or so don't.

This change in the degree coincided with the conglomeration of Media, when a handful of people were buying up newspapers, periodicals, TV stations and radio stations.

Unlike a degree in journalism which focuses on the proper reporting of factual information, the purpose of a mass communication degree is to learn how to shape and influence, using the techniques of Goebbels.

Journalism also focused on morality and ethics, namely right and wrong, whereas mass communications doesn't take it into consideration, because success is measured by how many people you reached and influenced.

Polls are invaluable for political candidates (and ballot measures), but the Media does not use polls in the same manner that candidates use polls.

For the Media, polls are a form of advertising, and the intent is to send a number of different messages to influence voters.

One message is that you're defective, or inadequate or a loser, because you're not for the "clear" winner, and another is a Logical Fallacy based on Ad Populum, everyone else is on board, so you should be on board, too, and another is your candidate can't possibly win, so just stay home, sit in a corner and sulk.

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And when they lost, blamed it on the Russians.
And the hacking of voter registration databases had nothing to do with the election.

The hacking started in 2014, long before Trump announced his candidacy. You hack into voter registration databases for the same reason you hack into Equifax. The information in the "header" of your credit report contains the same information your voter registration does, name, date of birth, social security number, address and telephone number, except your voter registration has political party affiliation.

Organized crime here controls unions, labor, government and government services, drugs, gambling and prostitution.

It would be next to impossible for Russians and Albanians to get into unions, labor and government and government services, because elected and appointed government officials and government employees are going to be reluctant to take bribes from foreigners, so the Russians and Albanians focus on frauds and related crimes like identity fraud and identify theft as cash cows.

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The winners are centrists. "Conservative" in most other countries means center, not what it means here. Here it means extreme right wing radicals who often want to impose their religion on others.
Why is that?

Because that's how the US Media has shaped your view.

I'm Conservative and Atheist. There are a helluva lot more of us than people realize, but the Liberal Media would never want you to know that.
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Old 05-19-2019, 02:14 PM
 
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Well, the issues that animate the Right in the US - such as abortion, health care - aren't so in the UK, Australia, and Canada counterparts. That's also the case in Israeli politics, which is even more complicated.

It's really not very useful to try to view comparative politics in other countries through an America-centric lens.
Conservative or right leaning parties are not part of a globalist agenda. What those parties have in common is that they value democracy, the rule of law, respect for individuality, civility and practical solutions that actually work.

Leftist parties are remarkably similar when it comes to issues like imposing their centralized, control oriented agenda on people. Open borders, deference of nations to multinational institutions, government control of energy production and usage, effective control of the media and public discourse, intolerance of opinions that are inconsistent with their own, etc.

It is the leftist parties that are animated by so many of the same issue across the world. The right is not nearly as homogeneous.
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Old 05-19-2019, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I am a conservative and I support government oversight of healthcare, education, etc. So do nearly all conservatives.
Well, the liberal party in Australia also want the government (tax payer) to fund it, and education too.
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