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Old 06-26-2019, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Austin TX
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Now, that's where you go entirely off the rails lumping "universal healthcare" in with "free housing" and suggesting they're both fluff that supposedly all people in foreign countries seem to care about and only "some malcontent Americans " care about.

Based upon that statement alone; you've shown total incompetence to adjudge what foreigners care about and therefore incapable of determining American exceptionalism. You can hardly claim exceptionalism if you have no freak'n idea about what makes other countries great.

"Some" perhaps perusing these very boards, even with their obvious right wing bias would serve to show great interest in a universal healthcare or single payer system with absolutely no linkage whatsoever to "free housing".

You just make this nonsense up in your head and expect people to give it import.
We’re just all so lucky for your 24/7 vigilance here of this forum to ensure that no Americans ever make any historical mistakes, or hurt Canada’s feelings with healthcare put downs.

Thank you BruSan for your selfless dedication to our forum and our people. We owe you a debt of gratitude for your service here.
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Old 06-26-2019, 10:48 AM
 
Location: San Jose
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Then, what is the problem? If you study hard, get a college degree in a marketable field, let alone a masters, Ph.D., etc., then you will have more opportunities to earn more money and be more successful in the United States than pretty much any other country.
Nope. We don't have the highest percentage of millionaires, we don't have the highest median income rate and we don't have the highest percentage of middle class. Getting a good degree and then a high paying job is as doable and common in any first world nation as it is here. Matter of fact in many nations they are at a distinct advantage over Americans in that when they leave school they aren't racked with thousands in student debt like Americans are. So they can transition from a PHD program to a high paying job and immediately start saving money, unlike Americans who get bogged down in student loan payments.

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Therefore, we have the best system in the world for people who actually have merit, right?
No we don't. I should mention the corruption and cronyism we see in the higher education system where wealthy parents can essentially buy their kids into a prestigious school. This country does not function on merit at all.
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Old 06-26-2019, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Can you think conceptually? Yes Blacks and women did not share in equality right away. WE FIXED THAT, which was also exceptional that we could do that as a nation. OK?

Deeds - Great.

Concept of free people not under the yoke of Royalty - EXCEPTIONAL

When did Canada become totally independent from the Crown? When I was a kid your flag still had the Union Jack on it.
In regards to women, not exactly.

In 2019, women's rights are still not explicitly recognized in US Constitution

Blacks, well on paper, but is it really fixed?

Deeds...many countries have don great deeds. Many countries also does't invaded other countries just because of oil, or invade country B because the majority of the 9/11 terrorists, came from country A.

Canada is a sovereign nation. Even if we still had the Union Jack on our national flag, it wouldn't change the actual laws and sovereignty of Canada. Heck the BC, Ontario, and Manitoba flags still have a Union Jack in the design, doesn't mean anything, except a nod to history.
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Old 06-26-2019, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Other nations did not value this 200 hundred years ago. So what's new?




This
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Old 06-26-2019, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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In regards to women, not exactly.

In 2019, women's rights are still not explicitly recognized in US Constitution

Blacks, well on paper, but is it really fixed?

Deeds...many countries have don great deeds. Many countries also does't invaded other countries just because of oil, or invade country B because the majority of the 9/11 terrorists, came from country A.

Canada is a sovereign nation. Even if we still had the Union Jack on our national flag, it wouldn't change the actual laws and sovereignty of Canada. Heck the BC, Ontario, and Manitoba flags still have a Union Jack in the design, doesn't mean anything, except a nod to history.
What rights do women not have in the U.S.? The Constitution does NOT GRANT US RIGHTS. It guarantees a few, but anything that is not specifically illegal in codified law is allowed. That is the difference between us and you Royalists. We posses Natural Rights as Human Beings irrespective of government.
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Old 06-26-2019, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Yet they have Hate Speech laws in Europe and you can be jailed for just speaking your mind.
Oh, here we go
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Old 06-26-2019, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Bolded is mine. You either have freedom or speech or don't. That limits what you can say, one could argue it only limits extreme speech but the issue there is who is deciding what is extreme speech.
Then I guess you don't either.

https://www.saturdayeveningpost.com/...dom-of-speech/
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Old 06-26-2019, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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^^^^^^^^^We already have laws against Child Pornography. Jeez. I love how the LEFT always argues in ABSURD EXTREMES to try to demonize the other side. Wow, how dishonest.
Which is what you guys constantly do in regards to free speech. Suggesting people would be arrested for merely saying " something bad " about a certain group.

It doesn't work that way.
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Old 06-26-2019, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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But people also poured out of Germany, Britain, Ireland, Holland, Spain etc etc etc to come to the us in the past too largely for economic reasons, not political. So sure some run away from political persecution, but most to seek better economic opportunities which the us has. But this doesn’t make the us an exceptional country politically. It just makes it a land of opportunity because it has a huge landmass and plenty of spaces to grow.

What a ridiculous idea, that the U.S. has to be "an exceptional country, politically." I guess some people just have to complain about something.

The things which matter, are the rest of the things you mentioned--and yes, they do make the U.S. an exceptional country.
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Old 06-26-2019, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Which is what you guys constantly do in regards to free speech. Suggesting people would be arrested for merely saying " something bad " about a certain group.

It doesn't work that way.
No. The opposite. The Leftists have created the concept of "Hate Speech". Most Americans are opposed to that because the Constitution protects, NOT GRANTS, the right of free speech. It also protects speech we DON'T LIKE, and actions like Flag burning, which we also don't like, but support their right to do it. So, you see, Exceptional.
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