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Originally Posted by Pilot1
^^^^^^^^^We already have laws against Child Pornography. Jeez. I love how the LEFT always argues in ABSURD EXTREMES to try to demonize the other side. Wow, how dishonest.
And there are already laws against hate speech in Europe. I love how the RIGHT always goes to ABSURD EXTREMES to try to demonize others who think everything has its limits. How barbaric you are to say that inflicting psychological and social damage on targets of hate ought to be a human right.
^^^^^^^^^We already have laws against Child Pornography. Jeez. I love how the LEFT always argues in ABSURD EXTREMES to try to demonize the other side. Wow, how dishonest.
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Originally Posted by Pilot1
"Yet they have Hate Speech laws in Europe and you can be jailed for just speaking your mind."
I'm not so sure that the UK has the same measures of free speech that we have here. Here's a story and I've heard similar stories like this over the years that make it sound like you can be jailed and censored for saying un-PC things in the UK under the banner of preventing Hate Speech. The problem is is who decides exactly what is hate speech. Reporting on a gang rapes, is that hate speech??
I rank the USA first in exceptionalism. I could give a damn how others rates it.
Not everyone disagrees with you about "first in exceptionalism" but perhaps you should consider the actual definition of exceptionalism not being confined to describing a positive.
exceptionalism
noun
The condition of being exceptional or unique.
The theory or belief that something, especially a nation, does not conform to a pattern or norm.
Perhaps in this case, when one is forced to consider the reality of the "norm" being all of the first world nations being developed to a high degree; the U.S. being an "exception to the norm" might mean ……
I'm not so sure that the UK has the same measures of free speech that we have here. Here's a story and I've heard similar stories like this over the years that make it sound like you can be jailed and censored for saying un-PC things in the UK under the banner of preventing Hate Speech. The problem is is who decides exactly what is hate speech. Reporting on a gang rapes, is that hate speech??
"Gag orders are sometimes used in an attempt to assure a fair trial by preventing prejudicial pre-trial publicity, although their use for this purpose is controversial since they are a potentially unconstitutional prior restraint that can lead to the press's using less reliable sources such as off-the-record statements and second- or third-hand accounts.[3]
In a similar manner, a "gag law" may limit freedom of the press, by instituting censorship or restricting access to information."[4]
Nope America is exceptional. Million a year migrate here and the line stretches around the earth.
WW1, WW2 sacrifice of blood and treasure unprecedented, no territory gained in return. Disaters around the globe, who shows up, who donates cash and supplies for people they never met?
Where does medical innovation and life saving pharmaceuticals come from.
There has been other cases like I mentioned, but I don't care to do the research, but whatever.
The point is "hate speech" is not the statute Tommy Robinson was being prosecuted for.
Hate Speech legislation in the various first world nations that have enacted some form of it is very clearly defined and limited to certain parameters usually of the nature of threatening or calling for harm to an individual or identifiable minority or group of people.
Those laws exist in the U.S. also and there have been cases dating back to the fifties using definitions such as what might constitute "fighting words" to determine the guilt.
If someone steps up on a soap box in the U.S. and exhorts a crowd to go round up all the Muslims and burn down their houses ……. how long would it be before you think that guy is looking through some bars?
Implying that people in the U.K. or anywhere else in the free world can be jailed for merely expressing an opinion contrary to popular belief or political expediency is not being honest when attempting to show 1st amendment rights in the U.S. being superior to all others. In practical terms, they are not.
Stifling someone's right to state a specific point of view must have at it's basis some form of injurious harm being proven to exist towards another entity. Simply saying something unpopular or insulting will not be stifled by law. Those issues are for the civil courts to adjudicate just as they are in the U.S.
Europe and Canada hae expanded education and guaranteed paid family leave.
Europe boasts stronger female participation rates, less poverty, and better intergenerational mobility.
In Europe, women are less likely to quit after having a baby, thanks to the generous parental leave policies of many countries there.
Class mobility today is much more achievable in Europe than in the US.
They have a health care system that works reasonably well - and certainly better than the US one.
They tax their wealthier at higher rates than we do here. Less tax burden on their poorest members.
Yes, and we pay high taxes and high prices for goods and services for these benefits. I don't think the majority of Americans would be too happy about this.
Moving to a country in the EU? Most countries in the EU have tightened requirements for citizens from non-EU member states. In some EU states, marrying a citizen will help you to get residence. Generally, the best/easiest way into the EU is through a job offer from a firm in the EU. Good luck!
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