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Old Yesterday, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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I am a Cuban American so the politics of the older generation were centered around what was going on inside Cuba and not America itself.
Cuban Americans are now into their 3rd. & 4th. generations in America so their political beliefs aren't tied to the island so much.
The younger generation is concerned with healthcare & college education costs as well.
Yep. Vietnamese Americans also have similiar political orientations that varied by generation as well.

Ly Tong, who recently passed away, was a real character who captured some of the extremes of the older generation's political sentiments:

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/04/...-striker-dies/
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Old Yesterday, 04:04 PM
 
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Maybe every young person isn't entitled to the most desirable jobs in the most desirable cities. At the least they should have the stamina for an hour+ commute, which many of us have done for most of our working years.
Been doing that commute. Its insane.. we made our lives harder than they need to be. Im looking at you Los Angeles..
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Old Yesterday, 04:28 PM
 
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Venezuela? Why so pessimistic? Why not Sweden?

It's sad, though, if you think that is the only thing that makes America great, or not.
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Old Yesterday, 05:39 PM
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Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Well one can't exactly claim that light socialism has been bad for northern Europe. They have some of the best health care and education systems in the world.
For about maybe the 25th time, the Scandinavian model is not socialism. Just ask the former Denmark Prime Minister.

www.city-data.com/forum/55234876-post77.html

The Scandinavian nations are best termed 'social democracies.' They are free market capitalist with extensive 'safety nets.' Socialism means "gov't ownership of the means of production." Cuba and Venezuela are examples; the Scandis are not.
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Old Yesterday, 05:44 PM
 
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This actually was a long time coming. The older emigre Cuban American generation of the 1960s were animated by knee-jerk anti-Communism and antipathy to Castro. The younger generations, not so much, as they're more concerned with things in America itself. This is more so in Florida where sentiments are stronger, than for communities elsewhere.

So that means that Cuban Americans, once overwhelmingly Republican in voting habits, have been becoming less so over the past decades.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/po...131-story.html
Of course people who haven't experienced communism or socialism don't realize how dreadful it is. Their parents and grandparents who lived it wanted nothing to do with it.
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Old Yesterday, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Haiku
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We've come to a point in this country where uncontrolled illegal immigration is getting out of hand. It will only bring down the quality of living for everyone already here. The Democrats only want to make matters worse. The Republicans and Trump are the only ones that want to address this.

As far as a party for "old white men," no one is stopping nonwhites, females from joining the Republican party. In fact there are plenty of nonwhite females that are Republicans. Sadly because of the herd mentality and Leftist media indoctrination, most nonwhites without thinking, choose to be Democrats.
Has it occurred to you that perhaps people are rejecting the Republican party because they do not agree with what it stands for, rather than they are being brainwashed by the media as you are implying? The right makes no bones about it, they don't believe people on the margins of society deserve any help at all - no healthcare, no help with education, no help with family planning. Republicans are all about me, me, me. There is no "we" in the Republican party and many of us feel that we need to work together as a society and pull all of us up and that the zero-sum attitude of suppressing the poor so that I can have a little more is a really sh*tty way to treat your fellow humans. Non-whites are smart enough to see that and they apparently are rejecting it because it is patently a selfish society you are proposing. It has nothing to do with fake news, it is the truth about what conservatism is all about.
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Old Yesterday, 06:12 PM
 
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For about maybe the 25th time, the Scandinavian model is not socialism. Just ask the former Denmark Prime Minister.

www.city-data.com/forum/55234876-post77.html

The Scandinavian nations are best termed 'social democracies.' They are free market capitalist with extensive 'safety nets.' Socialism means "gov't ownership of the means of production." Cuba and Venezuela are examples; the Scandis are not.
Foreign companies own the lions share of Venezuelas oil. And what they don't already own or develop, they will own soon...same goes for just about everything else there.

"Venezuela borrowed 1.5 billion dollars from Russia, offering 49.9% of PDVSA's share in Citgo as collateral; Venezuela's high likelihood of default means Citgo could be absorbed by Rosneft in the near future."

Most every resource extraction company in the world has major offices in the main Venezuelan oil port. This would not be the case if the it was true government ownership.

Now...the Saudis....and some of the other Gulf Countries...they may own their oil fields and they are the government.

In any case, do you favor a Social Democracy? Another way to say that is "Democratic Socialist" or "Democratic Socialism". I'd count myself among them..in theory.

Are you on board? Denmark is obviously working better than this place.

Is three a reason why Russia or the Netherlands or UK or China would be better off owning US oil (for example)....than it being owned (run) by the State of Alaska, for example (alaskan oil)????

Why would Royal Dutch Shell or British Petroleum or Lukoil be a better owner of our...or anyone else's oil...then "the people" of that country?

The real "means of production" are not resources....but factories, foods, products, etc..
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Old Yesterday, 06:18 PM
 
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For about maybe the 25th time, the Scandinavian model is not socialism. Just ask the former Denmark Prime Minister.

www.city-data.com/forum/55234876-post77.html

The Scandinavian nations are best termed 'social democracies.' They are free market capitalist with extensive 'safety nets.' Socialism means "gov't ownership of the means of production." Cuba and Venezuela are examples; the Scandis are not.
You're wasting bandwidth trying to educate those who let their toenails grow because they cannot afford to rent a rototiller.
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Old Yesterday, 06:24 PM
 
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Of course people who haven't experienced communism or socialism don't realize how dreadful it is. Their parents and grandparents who lived it wanted nothing to do with it.
Of course people who have experienced REAL communism or socialism have no patience for those nitwits suggesting Democrats, Liberals in America are anything of the same stripe.
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Old Yesterday, 06:25 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Has it occurred to you that perhaps people are rejecting the Republican party because they do not agree with what it stands for, rather than they are being brainwashed by the media
Young people are rejecting the GOP because they realize the GOP is every bit as full of crap as the Democrats. Gen Z is very libertarian.

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The right makes no bones about it, they don't believe people on the margins of society deserve any help at all - no healthcare, no help with education, no help with family planning. Republicans are all about me, me, me. There is no "we" in the Republican party and many of us feel that we need to work together as a society and pull all of us up and that the zero-sum attitude of suppressing the poor so that I can have a little more is a really sh*tty way to treat your fellow humans.
That's not a right/left thing; that's a common sense thing.

No one has the right to the fruits of another's labor. Taxation is armed robbery and violence is unacceptable except in self-defense.

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Non-whites are smart enough to see that and they apparently are rejecting it because it is patently a selfish society you are proposing. It has nothing to do with fake news, it is the truth about what conservatism is all about.
Non-whites are one of the fastest-growing groups among libertarian and anarchist circles. Many, many African-Americans have come to realize the State is the main cause of the issues in the black community (drug war, police violence, etc.) and have embraced Malcolm X's very libertarian message of self-ownership.

https://reason.com/2019/08/07/white-...arians-ideals/

Conservatism is just another form of big government.
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