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Old 08-25-2019, 06:27 PM
 
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Foreign companies own the lions share of Venezuelas oil. And what they don't already own or develop, they will own soon...same goes for just about everything else there.

"Venezuela borrowed 1.5 billion dollars from Russia, offering 49.9% of PDVSA's share in Citgo as collateral; Venezuela's high likelihood of default means Citgo could be absorbed by Rosneft in the near future."

Most every resource extraction company in the world has major offices in the main Venezuelan oil port. This would not be the case if the it was true government ownership.

Now...the Saudis....and some of the other Gulf Countries...they may own their oil fields and they are the government.

In any case, do you favor a Social Democracy? Another way to say that is "Democratic Socialist" or "Democratic Socialism". I'd count myself among them..in theory.

Are you on board? Denmark is obviously working better than this place.

Is three a reason why Russia or the Netherlands or UK or China would be better off owning US oil (for example)....than it being owned (run) by the State of Alaska, for example (alaskan oil)????

Why would Royal Dutch Shell or British Petroleum or Lukoil be a better owner of our...or anyone else's oil...then "the people" of that country?

The real "means of production" are not resources....but factories, foods, products, etc..
You might want to actually educate yourself about the failure that is the government controlled (socialism) PDVSA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDVSA
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Old 08-25-2019, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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For about maybe the 25th time, the Scandinavian model is not socialism.
This all depends:

If a person points out that the Scandinavian countries do something well...........Not socialist.

If a right winger wants to point out something negative about the Scandinavian countries.........Socialist.
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Old 08-25-2019, 06:32 PM
Status: "but it depends on what the definition of "is" is." (set 26 days ago)
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Originally Posted by craigiri View Post
Foreign companies own the lions share of Venezuelas oil. And what they don't already own or develop, they will own soon...same goes for just about everything else there.

"Venezuela borrowed 1.5 billion dollars from Russia, offering 49.9% of PDVSA's share in Citgo as collateral; Venezuela's high likelihood of default means Citgo could be absorbed by Rosneft in the near future."

Most every resource extraction company in the world has major offices in the main Venezuelan oil port. This would not be the case if the it was true government ownership.

Now...the Saudis....and some of the other Gulf Countries...they may own their oil fields and they are the government.

In any case, do you favor a Social Democracy? Another way to say that is "Democratic Socialist" or "Democratic Socialism". I'd count myself among them..in theory.

Are you on board? Denmark is obviously working better than this place.

Is three a reason why Russia or the Netherlands or UK or China would be better off owning US oil (for example)....than it being owned (run) by the State of Alaska, for example (alaskan oil)????

Why would Royal Dutch Shell or British Petroleum or Lukoil be a better owner of our...or anyone else's oil...then "the people" of that country?

The real "means of production" are not resources....but factories, foods, products, etc..
Nationalized oil is fairly common around the world, and Venezuela has had this since the 1970s. Most countries (US included) have socialist entities. The difference with Venezuela after Chavez came along was that he wanted to gradually nationalize/socialize everything. He started a chain of gov't-owned and operated grocery stores, for example.

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In any case, do you favor a Social Democracy? Another way to say that is "Democratic Socialist" or "Democratic Socialism". I'd count myself among them..in theory.
'Democratic Socialism' and 'social democracy' are two entirely different things. Venezuela under Chavez was the former, and Denmark is the latter. And yes, I would be on board with the 'social democracy,' but definitely not on board with 'democratic socialism.'
http://www.city-data.com/forum/52840982-post162.html
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Old 08-25-2019, 06:36 PM
Status: "but it depends on what the definition of "is" is." (set 26 days ago)
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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This all depends:

If a person points out that the Scandinavian countries do something well...........Not socialist.

If a right winger wants to point out something negative about the Scandinavian countries.........Socialist.
Wow this is frustrating. I refer you back to the words of the Danish PM. The Scandinavian, FACTUALLY SPEAKING, are not socialist.

The fact that many on both right and left don't know the definition of 'socialist,' and thus misuse it, does not change the facts of the debate.
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Old 08-25-2019, 06:39 PM
 
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This all depends:

If a person points out that the Scandinavian countries do something well...........Not socialist.

If a right winger wants to point out something negative about the Scandinavian countries.........Socialist.
Do you even know what a socialist economy is?

It's where the government controls production and distribution.

Which Scandinavian countries have government s that control production and distribution?
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Old 08-25-2019, 06:40 PM
Status: "but it depends on what the definition of "is" is." (set 26 days ago)
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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You're wasting bandwidth trying to educate those who let their toenails grow because they cannot afford to rent a rototiller.
haha, probably right.

But for maybe the 4th or 5th time today alone, I repost this by another poster:
www.city-data.com/forum/55234876-post77.html
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Old 08-25-2019, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Dublin, OH
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We will never be Venezuela or Denmark, thankfully.
Denmark is one of the happiest societies on the planet...along with Finland, Sweden and Norway...we should strive to emulate those countries. The USA ranks 18th.
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Old 08-25-2019, 06:48 PM
 
Location: Dublin, OH
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Maybe every young person isn't entitled to the most desirable jobs in the most desirable cities. At the least they should have the stamina for an hour+ commute, which many of us have done for most of our working years.
That leads to a very poor work life balance...increasing stress and poorer health.
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Old 08-25-2019, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Washington State
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yep, we are following the path of the Roman Empire....I hope I don't see us down the Venezuela path before I die.
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Old 08-25-2019, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Dublin, OH
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This all depends:

If a person points out that the Scandinavian countries do something well...........Not socialist.

If a right winger wants to point out something negative about the Scandinavian countries.........Socialist.
Besides maybe the colder climate there is nothing negative about the Scandinavian countries.
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