Califonia OK's Gay Marriage

[TwiloMike]

Originally Posted by Greatday

Marriage started as a Religious institution and retains many of those religious elements.

Source? Marriage started as a property agreement as far as I can tell.

When I perform a Marriage (civil) I start off with, "Dearly Beloved, we are gathered here before God and this company ......"

Not at my marriage you won't: there will be no deities mentioned, invoked, or alluded to.

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by TwiloMike

Not at my marriage you won't: there will be no deities mentioned, invoked, or alluded to.

And, that is fine.

I can say though, none of the couples I have married have ever objected -

[TwiloMike]

Originally Posted by Greatday

And, that is fine.

I can say though, none of the couples I have married have ever objected -

That's perfectly fine but it's not the point in the debate over same-sex marriage.

Also, what is your source for marriage starting out as a religious institution? I can see why one would assume such a thing but is it really the case?

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by TwiloMike

Also, what is your source for marriage starting out as a religious institution? I can see why one would assume such a thing but is it really the case?

References in the Bible - ancient texts

[TwiloMike]

Originally Posted by Greatday

References in the Bible - ancient texts

Do those texts really go back to the beginning of marriage?

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by TwiloMike

Do those texts really go back to the beginning of marriage?

IMO? Yes......

[k350]

Marriage evolved from rights to sexual access to a female. It is beleived to be older than written history is. It is also theorized that modern humans were not the only ones to practice it.

That is from cultural anthropology 101.

[Ranj_Ramak]

Originally Posted by Greatday

Well - IMO, when talking about Gay Marriage, there is no way to NOT bring religion into it - it is part of the "Controversy" IMO -

The issue of not allowing Gay Marriage is based, in part, in religious beliefs

But this country was not founded on any religion or The Bible and its laws are not, and should not be based on religion beliefs, either. What The Bible says about gays or anything else is about as relevant to what is legal in this country as Dr Seuss.

[k350]

I just wish they would start using the word civil union. Marriage is a religious based thing. If a religion wants to "marry" 2 people, then that is between the people and the religion, I do not see what business the gov has in it.

As far as the civil union side of it, I think the gov should be out of the marriage business all together, treat everyone as their own person.

As far as the simplier argument, I do not like gays nor care to be around them, but I beleive in individual freedom, so they should get to do whatever they want.

And as far as religion goes, please stay out of the gov.

[TnHilltopper]

Well I asked that this not turn into bible study but apparently it didn't really sink in. Since this is less about people in California being ok with gay marriage, I think it is time to close this thread for a while until I sort out this train wreck.