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Originally Posted by elnrgby
It is not plain and simple at all. Murder is killing of a person, and there is no uniform belief that a human fetus 3 months after conception is a person. When does an organism with human chromosomes become a person? There is no plain or simple agreement about that.
Life begins at conception. You don't believe in science, or the bible either?
The Bible never specifically addresses the issue of abortion. However, there are numerous teachings in Scripture that make it abundantly clear what God’s view of abortion is. Jeremiah 1:5 tells us that God knows us before He forms us in the womb.
Psalm 139:13–16 speaks of God’s active role in our creation and formation in the womb. Exodus 21:22–25 prescribes the same penalty—death—for someone who causes the death of a baby in the womb as for someone who commits murder. This law and its punishment clearly indicate that God considers a baby in the womb to be just as much a human being as a full-grown adult.
For the Christian, abortion is not a matter of a woman’s right to choose to have a baby. The baby is already present and living. Abortion is a matter of the life or death of a human being made in God’s image (Genesis 1:26–27; 9:6). What does the Bible say about abortion? Simply put, abortion is murder. It is the killing of a human being created in the image of God.
As difficult as it would be to become pregnant as a result of rape or incest, is the murder of a baby the solution? A child who is conceived through rape or incest is as much made in the image of God as any other human. That child’s life should be protected just as much as the life of any other human being.
The circumstances of conception never determine the worth of a person or that person’s future. The baby in this situation is completely innocent and should not be punished for the evil act of his or her father.
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Leaking the decision ahead of time gave people plenty of time to prepare their plans to protest and figure out how to take as much advantage of the situation as possible. I sure this will be a get out the vote call to action for liberals.
Aside from the tantrums taking place - life should proceed forth.
If people want abortion so bad - take the normal course of action and legislate for it. Tell everyone why babies should be killed in the womb.
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It all boils down to when human life in a morally relevant sense begins.
How a fetus without a brain or nervous system can be morally relevant is beyond me. By characteristic, it cannot feel pain.
Thus, such a fetus cannot be a person. Otherwise, you might as well call the Venus de Milo a person.
True, aborting the features does deny it future pleasures. However, pleasure is important ONLY (a) to conscious self-aware entities, and (b) to the extent that it's necessary to stop or counteract a negative state of affairs. Again, pleasure is "missable" only if there's a nervous system - and they're only of secondary importance to stopping/reversing badness in any event.
SCOTUS says it is "states rights" which means each state can make a decision.
Sure, but the other poster Corrie22 said that the latest SCOTUS ruling only stated "the court had no power to dictate a medical procedure". But SCOTUS leaves to state courts power to allow, or limit, or ban this particular medical procedure, ie, state courts have complete power to dictate anything they choose about this medical procedure. So, state courts do very much have power to dictate rules about this particular medical procedure.
You live in a state where abortion will remain legal and protected, apparently all the way until the time of birth.
Are you worried about what will happen to abortion access in other states?
Yes. I live in the UNITED States. I care about other women. Especially the ones stuck in backward states who don't have the money or support systems to leave permanently or to take a trip to get an abortion. Yes, I care. Do you?
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Originally Posted by Angel Calzadilla
The Bible never specifically addresses the issue of abortion. However, there are numerous teachings in Scripture that make it abundantly clear what God’s view of abortion is. Jeremiah 1:5 tells us that God knows us before He forms us in the womb.
Psalm 139:13–16 speaks of God’s active role in our creation and formation in the womb. Exodus 21:22–25 prescribes the same penalty—death—for someone who causes the death of a baby in the womb as for someone who commits murder. This law and its punishment clearly indicate that God considers a baby in the womb to be just as much a human being as a full-grown adult.
For the Christian, abortion is not a matter of a woman’s right to choose to have a baby. The baby is already present and living. Abortion is a matter of the life or death of a human being made in God’s image (Genesis 1:26–27; 9:6). What does the Bible say about abortion? Simply put, abortion is murder. It is the killing of a human being created in the image of God.
As difficult as it would be to become pregnant as a result of rape or incest, is the murder of a baby the solution? A child who is conceived through rape or incest is as much made in the image of God as any other human. That child’s life should be protected just as much as the life of any other human being.
The circumstances of conception never determine the worth of a person or that person’s future. The baby in this situation is completely innocent and should not be punished for the evil act of his or her father.
Yes. And Job 3:3 tells us that life begins at coception.
“Let the day perish wherein I was born, and the night in which it was said, There is a man child conceived.”
Yes. I live in the UNITED States. I care about other women. Especially the ones stuck in backward states who don't have the money or support systems to leave permanently or to take a trip to get an abortion. Yes, I care. Do you?
We are not a single ruled country...the fed has certain powers and the states have certain powers.
And you are just going to have to live with that.
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Originally Posted by Phil75230
It all boils down to when human life in a morally relevant sense begins.
How a fetus without a brain or nervous system can be morally relevant is beyond me. By characteristic, it cannot feel pain.
Thus, such a fetus cannot be a person. Otherwise, you might as well call the Venus de Milo a person.
True, aborting the features does deny it future pleasures. However, pleasure is important ONLY (a) to conscious self-aware entities, and (b) to the extent that it's necessary to stop or counteract a negative state of affairs. Again, pleasure is "missable" only if there's a nervous system - and they're only of secondary importance to stopping/reversing badness in any event.
A fetus cannot be a person just because it doesn't feel pain?
There are born people who have congenital insensitivity to pain (CIP), who cannot feel pain. Sad that you want them killed, too, since you do not consider them persons.
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