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Originally Posted by lilyflower3191981
I dont think pelosie made a right choice, we are on the same page.
This said, when taiwan hasn't done anything wrong, which means taiwan has not declared independence I don't think China should do anything to punish taiwan. Doing so only shows China is a bully. Nothing more.
With this said, what has done is done. Calling her stupid or ridiculous does not change anything now.
Pelosi is a liability, and wades in to situations that she doesn't fully understand, however at 82, this is her swansong, and she is due to step down in December.
Pelosi's situation will most likely have a negative impact on the situation.
In terms of China, it could destroy Taiwan any time it wanted, and China would rather destroy the Island rather than having a potential enemy on it's doorstep.
The US would be at a massive disadvantage in terms of fighting a war nearly 7,000 miles away on Chinese turf, and the Chinese have a very large rocket force and other defence forces on their coastline.
The Chinese are well aware of the massive advantage they would have in such a situation, and they also have allies who would help them, including North Korea, Iran and Russia.
The world has enough to deal with at the moment without Pelosi causing more problems by going on grand standing tours.
I dont think pelosie made a right choice, we are on the same page.
This said, when taiwan hasn't done anything wrong, which means taiwan has not declared independence I don't think China should do anything to punish taiwan. Doing so only shows China is a bully. Nothing more.
With this said, what has done is done. Calling her stupid or ridiculous does not change anything now.
That's true, hopefully China will calm themselves down, now that she has left the island.
It is not only about Taiwan declaring independence verbally.
I read an interesting comment today, with details I did not know:
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the PRC and ROC are organizations. The ROC does control the Taiwan region and the PRC acknowledges that they do. The issue is in regards to national sovereignty. To acknowledge the one-china principle is to state that there is one geopolitical unit known as China, and that there is simply a conflict between the PRC and ROC about which should administer the entirety of that unit, and that this is an issue internal to china. This is a principle which is in the ROCs consitution and the ROC publically ratified it with the PRC in 1992, and is acknowledged by every country on the planet. So there is no real issue calling Taiwan a "state" with a "head of state", as long as one does not call it a sovereign, independent state, which would be a violation of the UN charter and on chinese territorial integrity. Just like Texas is a state, but it is not an independent, sovereign state. However that would be meaningless semantics. Chinese would use the term autonomous or semiautonomous region rather than state in that context.
It would be more wise if they forced a vote on "Does your country consider the US' official state visit to the ROC a violation of the UN charter?", which would essentially force every country to condemn the US since the violation is actually incredibly blatant and apparent. The UN even has a clause which states that a visit to a country by any politician of as high a rank as Pelosi is considered an official state visit. And the rest follows like a house of cards. Nobody could deny the allegation and not lose face, and the US would be humiliated.
I do not agree on the "head of state" part because I think that term is not used for federal states, but only for independent countries. Maybe I am wrong, but I have never heard that term being used for say the governor of a US state or a German Bundesland.
The UN should have a general rule that no country has a right to reclaim any territory that was lost to secession, revolution, or war waged by that country.
Pelosi's trip is her farewell tour. Don't read into it. And Nancy, the queen of mean, is the center of attention.
Got to give the old broad credit for her political show woman ship.
The UN should have a general rule that no country has a right to reclaim any territory that was lost to secession, revolution, or war waged by that country.
In the case of China it was a civil war. And just because many people don't like China, they should not forget that it was not the communists that started the civil war, but the KMT nationalists (-> Taiwan). It was the Chinese people that wanted Communism, it was a people's revolution, after the nationalist government had failed them miserably.
The History of Conflict Between the KMT and the CCP
By 1922 Dr. Sun intended to turn the KMT into a party dictatorship resembling that of
the Soviet Union. He received help from the Soviet Union, financially and militarily
and he had even admitted Communists into the Nationalist Party. This was done under
the intent of assimilating the communists into the KMT. In August of 1922 the founder
of the CCP, Ll Ta-chao, became the first communist member to join the KMT - this
begins the first United Front between the CCP and the KMT. In 1924 Dr. Sun
appointed the military General Chiang Kai-shek to be the head of the newly formed
Whampoa Military Academy. Chiang along with other members of the Chinese military
were sent to Russia to receive military training. While over in Russia, Chiang was able to
observe the ways of communism and ascertained that it was not a proper political system
for China. When Dr. Sun died in 1925, Chiang took it upon himself to rid China of the
turmoil which had plagued China for 9 years - the warlords. In 1926, he planned the
Northern Expedition to terminate the warlord's power. His plan was broken down into
three steps: the first step would be going along the Hsiang River to Changsha, then into
Kiangsi and finally into the Fukien Province-Wuhan, Nanking and Shanghai were to be
next if the first three steps were successful. The Expedition proved to be successful and
by December of 1926 the Nationalists controlled the seven provinces of Guangdong,
Hunan, Hupei, Kiangsi, Fukien, Guangsi and Kuichou. By March of 1927 the
Nationalists controlled Shanghai and Nanking. Having gained so much territory so
quickly made Chiang realize that the warlords were not as much of a threat as originally
anticipated. By April of 1927 Chiang decided to try to remove the remaining threat to the
KMT - the Chinese Communist Party. Starting on April 12 the Nationalist military, under
Chiang's orders, began a massacre on the Communists. This atrocity began in Shanghai
and spread to Nanking, Hangchow, Foochow, Canton and several other smaller cities.
Thousands of communists were killed. This, obviously, marked the end of the First
United Front between the CCP and the KMT.
Mao Tse-tung had been active in the Communist party from the beginning of it's
establishment in 1920. A young Mao had gained interest in communism while working
in Peking University's library, alongside of the founder of the CCP, Ll Ta-chao. Mao
attended the first meeting of the CCP. While Mao leaned towards communism, his
interest in fighting against nationalism became personal in 1929 when a Nationalist killed
his adopted sister, Mao Zejian. The Nationalists inflicted another tragedy upon Mao in
1930 when his estranged wife and mother of their two sons, Kaihui, was tortured and
killed by a Nationalist in Changsha in 1930. While the KMT was taking care of
government matters, Mao was busy strengthening his party. Mao started to lean towards
mobilizing the poorer classes of China, the peasants namely, and promised them a
brighter future. He believed that they would be able to fight and win a revolution. He
focused his efforts on learning about the peasants and their conditions. He became aware
of their plights and their needs-in fact, he turned himself into what could be perceived
as a caring leader. Mao began to launch reforms such as the marriage law of 1944. This
would later be to Mao's advantage when the people began to lose faith in the KMT who
had not made the reforms they had promised, opposed to Mao and the CCP, who had
already instituted important amendments.
The KMT and CCP were kind of forced to join forces again when the Japanese invaded in 1937.
But that was not very successful, Chiang's KMT's spent too much energy in fighting its ally, the CCP, instead of fighting the Japanese. In 1941 the KMT even attacked the CCP New Forth Army, while the Japanese were committing the Nanjing genocide, killing hundreds of thousands of Chinese civilians.
The Chinese people wanted to get rid of the nationalists. And in 1949 they did, after 38 years of civil war.
I don't think people in the West know those things, but they should before they demonize the communists...
Some of you think this is over? China made threats, Pelosi came and went and everything is back to normal? China will respond, not militarily but economically. Just be patient, this isn't over at all.
Can’t believe I am saying it. But Nancy Pelosi is brave to go to Taiwan and defend democracy over autocracy.
You are totally wrong. It is a violation of UN and international law. Why talk about the rules-based order all the time when you trample on it at the same time?!
Taiwan is a purely internal Chinese matter.
And whether you prefer the Western or the Chinese type of democracy is completely irrelevant because international law and UN rules regarding borders, sovereignty, etc. apply regardless of political systems.
The West is not the referee.
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