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Old 01-07-2011, 11:23 PM
 
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Guthrie's observation holds true ONLY under one, narrowly-defined set of circumstances, to wit, that you consider "work", as in "work the hardest" only to encompase brute physical labor.

Obviously brute physical labor doesn't (and properly doesn't) pay much, and never will.

However, a brain surgeon who spends hours hunched over a patient, focusing with all his mental powers to repair whatever damage exists, is also working incredibly hard, but does so for a nice piece of coin.

Accordingly, the Guthrie quote has only the most limited applicability, and certainly anything but universal trueness.
But certainly applies to more than those folk who can only offer their physical labour with the education system in many countries churning out conveyor style, countless clones in numerous roles it has been expanded to include a whole range of formally middle class positions..
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Old 01-07-2011, 11:35 PM
 
Location: Tallahassee
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Oh, that "Puritan work ethic".............

anxious Puritans worked doubly hard in order to avoid being singled out by others as failing, and therefore bereft of God’s grace. This was an anxiety about community, about being excluded or avoided by fellows, more than an anxiety about God. Pastors constantly reiterated the Puritan theological rejection of the idea that anyone could earn God’s grace with their work. But concerns about how one appeared to others led many Puritans to work especially hard–or give the impression of especially hard work–in order to retain group approval

The Puritans introduce America to hard work « The Historic Present
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Old 01-08-2011, 02:19 AM
 
Location: Southeastern Tennessee
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If they could be loaded (rich) without effort, yes. Or did you mean loaded (drunk or high)?
If they could be loaded (rich) without effort.
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Old 01-08-2011, 04:13 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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I have always wondered this myself. we all know that poverty is a choice, so why do so many chose to live in it? with all the government grants, educational opportunities, and other government programs out there, why do so many choose to do so little? show me a poor person, and I will show you a reason. unless you are physically or mentally disabled, there is no excuse for being poor.
Not everyone is cut out to make it through college, grad school, etc. and be an accountant, doctor, lawyer, researcher, entrepreneur, etc...much less be a big Wall Street fat cat. Those that don't have the financial deck stacked against them as this country long ago stopped believing in livable blue collar wages or even most blue collar jobs for that matter (they're all going to China, India, etc.). You should stop strictly judging everyone according to your own circumstantial experience.
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Old 01-08-2011, 05:25 AM
 
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Not everyone is cut out to make it through college, grad school, etc. and be an accountant, doctor, lawyer, researcher, entrepreneur, etc...much less be a big Wall Street fat cat. Those that don't have the financial deck stacked against them as this country long ago stopped believing in livable blue collar wages or even most blue collar jobs for that matter (they're all going to China, India, etc.). You should stop strictly judging everyone according to your own circumstantial experience.
I have two frieinds that live in Kansas. They are blue-collar construction workers and they earn over $100K pa
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Old 01-08-2011, 08:58 AM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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Is it easier to escape poverty or being poor, with any form of poverty of money in money based markets? Consider that practice makes perfect and a lack of practice could mean a lack of perfection; especially in money management.

Does anyone believe that the poor would have the same attitudes or character if they did not suffer from a poverty of money in money based markets due to structural forms friction in the market for labor. In my opinion, they would not since by eliminating official poverty they would no longer have any excuse and could simply be told that it really is their fault for not practicing better money management; as a civic virtue, moral, and ethic under any form of capital based market system.
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Old 01-08-2011, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Altoona, PA
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People need to quit being so judgmental.
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Old 11-12-2011, 06:40 PM
 
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The jobs where computers are tools and not the sole means of income.....Have you seen the price of comp. engineers in America as opposed to the rest of the world? It was only a matter of time.....same thing happened with the textile industry.


The more technical jobs that require the use of computers will still be here. this is in just reference to the comp. tech. programs that people go after cause it's an easy 6 figure income.

Not willing to retrain is not an acceptable excuse with all due respect.
With respect, that is nonsense.
Most of us who went into the programming field did it because we loved it and were good at it - not to make 'an easy 6 figure income'. Believe me, not that many made that kind of money, and those who did worked hard for it.

What are these more 'technical' jobs that 'use computers' you speak of? And how many jobs will there actually be? There is no reason that they, or any job that does not require a physical presence (which is what insourcing accomplishes) can't be outsourced.

I have no issue with retraining if it would accomplish something - I have done so several times in my life already. But the point is there is nothing for Americans TO retrain for.
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Old 11-12-2011, 10:46 PM
 
Location: Armsanta Sorad
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Competitive job market and companies have high expectations.
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Old 11-12-2011, 10:56 PM
 
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Many of those who became poor in the past few years are probably not to blame for their situation. Anyone who lived in poverty prior to this century has no excuse.
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