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So you've just described a typical, for-profit corporation.
And claiming no-profit is hardly the same as making no-profit.
Especially in a mostly cash business.
What I've done is just destroyed the liberal Democrats' constant arguing for taxing churches.
And guess what? You want to know where the Property Tax will come from in most churches? It'll come out of their funds that otherwise would be going to local food pantries, homeless shelters and the like.
So go ahead. Knock yourself out. Tax churches. Tax ALL non-profits, if you dare try to pull that off. The churches will be the LEAST affected by it.
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I wasn't aware unions are tax exempt, IF indeed they are.
WHY should churches be tax exempt?
And looking at some of the facilities churches have built along with the private jets and other amenities some have I find it near impossible to believe they're all staffed by poor, suffering, missionaries.
Most churches don't bring in enough money to have lavish facilities or private jets. Many churches use their own resources to reach out to the community, which includes feeding and sheltering the homeless.
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There needs to be oversight so that instead of giving that money to the poor and needy, they aren't "donating" it to certain shell, political organizations who then use the money for a political agenda. Super churches can turn a profit. The Salvation Army, not exactly a church but not taxed either, is a BILLION dollar corporation.
I think they should be taxed at a lower rate with some sort of oversight because they do often donate to good causes like hunger and homelessness but they need oversight to prevent them from donating to shell political organizations. They'd still be taxed, but at a lower rate to ensure that they had enough to maintain the church and donate to charity.
But why do the church donations need policing? I really don't want to give the government that type of authority over church affairs to determine what is and isn't appropriate use of church funds. The only reason many folks are calling for church to have it's tax-exempt status overturned are liberals who want to silence conservatives in the political arena and that is just plain wrong!
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It's interesting - and ironic - that you keep saying you don't condone the attacks on the church, but then you keep saying that you can see why it happened, and that the church had it coming, that it wasn't a hate crime, and that churches should be taxed.
Maybe people aren't as stupid as you assume they are.
That said, I think all the church-haters here on CD would be VERY surprised to know that "taxing churches" isn't going to do much. A church would have to pay a couple thousand dollars per year in property tax, but that's all. Every church, with a treasurer that has a whit of intelligence, will "zero out" all their income at the end of every year. So your wish to tax these churches out of existence is asinine.
In addition, if you're going to tax churches, you better have the integrity to demand that ALL "non-profit" corporations be taxed - including schools, college, etc.
Be careful what you wish for.
Exactly ... Don't forget unions as well. They are horrible at misusing their members dues money.
That study is biased. Nothing like having a conclusion decided beforehand and then trying to fit the data to it.
Really? Do you have any proof? The Haas Foundation donates to all sorts of programs throughout the Bay Area. The non-profit I interned at got funding from Haas and it was for children who live in public housing who could come after school and get homework help and snacks. Hardly politically charged. But since you don't agree with the results then by all means just say the entire study was flawed.
Really? Do you have any proof? The Haas Foundation donates to all sorts of programs throughout the Bay Area. The non-profit I interned at got funding from Haas and it was for children who live in public housing who could come after school and get homework help and snacks. Hardly politically charged. But since you don't agree with the results then by all means just say the entire study was flawed.
Walter Haas and his wife are liberals when it comes to any policy in America, but conservative and right-wing when if comes to any policy in Israel. They ain't going to pumping money into "gay rights" or multi-cultural liberalism for Israeli society where they own a condo.
I am well aware of who they are, and what they stand for.
But why do the church donations need policing? I really don't want to give the government that type of authority over church affairs to determine what is and isn't appropriate use of church funds. The only reason many folks are calling for church to have it's tax-exempt status overturned are liberals who want to silence conservatives in the political arena and that is just plain wrong!
Okay, so if we overturn their tax exempt status they won't need to be accountable to anyone. How about we take away the tax exemption and they can donate to politics til the cows come home? Until then, they're getting a handout from the government basically, so they should respect the separation of church and state.
Walter Haas and his wife are liberals when it comes to any policy in America, but conservative and right-wing when if comes to any policy in Israel.
I am well aware of who they are, and what they stand for.
So? Funding a study and manipulating a study are two completely different things. Unless you have proof that they just forced the study to say what they wanted, you shouldn't make baseless accusations.
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Okay, so if we overturn their tax exempt status they won't need to be accountable to anyone. How about we take away the tax exemption and they can donate to politics til the cows come home? Until then, they're getting a handout from the government basically, so they should respect the separation of church and state.
And churches contribute zilch? With all of the church-operated programs that benefit the community, such as feeding and housing the homeless and youth programs, I would say churches contribute lots to the community. If you revoke their tax-exempt status, then the churches will have to cut back on community programs and focus only on meeting overhead expenses, which many churches barely make as is.
Okay, so if we overturn their tax exempt status they won't need to be accountable to anyone. How about we take away the tax exemption and they can donate to politics til the cows come home? Until then, they're getting a handout from the government basically, so they should respect the separation of church and state.
You REALLY need to do some more research into this before you make such bold statements about "handout from the government...", etc.
You're barking up the wrong tree. In fact, you're not even in the right forest.
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