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View Poll Results: Are you content with the current healthcare system in America
Yes 52 20.55%
No 104 41.11%
Yes and No (Some parts are good, some are bad) 97 38.34%
Voters: 253. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-05-2009, 03:38 PM
 
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When was the last time you went to a hospital and saw all these Canadians in American Beds waiting for cancer treatment? Where are all these foreign UHC patients queing up for American Health treatment?
If millions of Americans could afford to go to Canada for treatment there would be a Exodus. Canada does not just take anyone for treatment, neither does the UK or other UHC Countries. You must be a legal resident or citizen of that country to get full treatment. NO ONE is denied treatment in a UHC Emergency room...NO ONE!
NO the majority in America are not happy with their health cover, if they were this would be a NON ISSUE as it is in UHC Countries. Health is the biggest issue in the USA at the moment. Look at the posts on here, it attracts more posters than any other issue and that is because millions are unhappy with it. 40,000,000 people WITHOUT health cover is FAR from a "few".
In the UK, people work for what they have but also have compassion for those less fortunate than themselves. Some America have lost all compassion and now praise greed....Disgusting!
The frenzy at the town halls is caused by the media whipping up hysteria.
You talk about "socialism" but haven't got a clue what it really is. America already has "Socialism"...oh i forgot it's just for the huge banks etc when they need the Govt. to SAVE THEM.
America has already turned into a USSR type country. It now has the strong divide between the have and have nots as in Russia. Socialism and Communism are quite different and America seems to want to lean towards the hierarchy of Communism...pity.
Your statistics are wrong, your numbers are skewed, and you're living in a fantasy world of your own making. Americans would NOT go to Canada for health care if they care about the care they get. When you say I don't have a clue speak for yourself. You my friend are the clueless one here. Perhaps you should get your news and stats from some source besides ABC, NBC, BBC or CBS. Health care is NOT the biggest issue in the USA the economy and jobs are much more important to people than health care. Liberals are about to see a storm like they have never dreamed. We have HAD it and you're going to find out soon just what the REAL mainstream really cares about. BTW your rock is calling!

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Old 08-05-2009, 04:16 PM
 
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We do need reform but....your underlined statement is very nice but where do you get the 2%?
And med mal increases costs , not just due to covering premiums but by all the excessive cover-your-butt testing and referrel to specialists.....much more than 1% in total.
I will admit I'm wearing rose colored glasses. I pay out of pocket $800 per month in health insurance, group insurance at that. I'd switch to the 2% tax increase any day especially the fact that I'd have more control of my future and my wife who is ill because of the pre-existing condition clause. That is only one reason to dump this employment for health insurance nonsense that causes too many unintended consequences both here in the States and globally. I would think that medicare and medicaid could eventually be fazed out. The ability to cross state lines for deals too. As far as malpractice, sure that should be addressed too. But I would lean hard on the insurance companies, if they can't handle it go insure Wall Street executives and car dealers instead.
 
Old 08-05-2009, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I will admit I'm wearing rose colored glasses. I pay out of pocket $800 per month in health insurance, group insurance at that. I'd switch to the 2% tax increase any day especially the fact that I'd have more control of my future and my wife who is ill because of the pre-existing condition clause. That is only one reason to dump this employment for health insurance nonsense that causes too many unintended consequences both here in the States and globally. I would think that medicare and medicaid could eventually be fazed out. The ability to cross state lines for deals too. As far as malpractice, sure that should be addressed too. But I would lean hard on the insurance companies, if they can't handle it go insure Wall Street executives and car dealers instead.
For only a 2% only tax increase I'd give up protesting UHC right away and just buy me a super duper supplement!
 
Old 08-05-2009, 04:42 PM
 
Location: on the edge of Sanity
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People only judge health care by their own personal situation. It's like anything else in life. Once someone said to me that she couldn't believe a woman didn't have a telephone or cable TV. I looked at her and said "Maybe she can't afford the monthly bills." People live in a bubble. Some bubbles are bigger than others.

Those who aren't sick or have excellent medical coverage have no idea what it's like to have a serious illness with mounting medical bills. One day you're a homeowner with a good job and money in the bank and the next you're losing your home, because you get sick and can't work.

I believe we need a public option for those people who want a fair, affordable plan. Single payer would be better IMO. But it looks as if that's off the table for good. No insurance company that has to answer to stockholders and pays CEOs $20 million in salaries & bonuses can be objective when it comes to caring for the sick. After all, it's not health care, it's sick care. If we were all healthy all the time, we wouldn't even be having this discussion!

I want to add that I don't mind if there are rules and restrictions regarding smoking, excessive drinking, overeating, regulating your blood pressure, exercising, etc. It's our responsibility to do the best we can to stay fit or understand we'll be penalized.
 
Old 08-05-2009, 04:49 PM
 
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Keep reading Ellwood. I do not believe the 84%, way too high, closer to 60% maybe. However, as time passes those numbers will drop and it will be quicker than the space of time between Hillary's mess in 1993 and now.
All medical lawsuits equal less than 1%. And many do not apply for medical assistance because they have too many assets, like a car or house or an account. So, they go bankrupt. We have a pathetic system that is out of control. I'm for strict regulation of the insurance industry with a 2% increase in taxes to fund portable-affordable insurance that is not reliant on employer contributions at all. This would be a public-private enterprise and if the insurance companies didn't like it, as the old russian proverb goes...toughshiztsky.
About One in Six U.S. Adults Are Without Health Insurance

83.9% sorry

Too many lawyers in the government so tort reform is a losing battle. Too bad our government will maintain the health care they have and not be forced to go with Obama's plan. Hmmm.
 
Old 08-05-2009, 04:50 PM
 
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For only a 2% only tax increase I'd give up protesting UHC right away and just buy me a super duper supplement!
Coupled with strong regulations of the insurance industry, nothing less. If it becomes a watered down affair, in which I think we are going to see from both paid off parties, it will fail in time and in short order. It is then a one payer system will be the only alternative.
 
Old 08-05-2009, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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I want to add that I don't mind if there are rules and restrictions regarding smoking, excessive drinking, overeating, regulating your blood pressure, exercising, etc. It's our responsibility to do the best we can to stay fit or understand we'll be penalized.
So, you support social engineering and the Government telling you what, and how to do it - and if you don't do it their (Government) way - you're OK with the government penalizing you?

You are kidding - right?
 
Old 08-05-2009, 05:12 PM
 
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So, you support social engineering and the Government telling you what, and how to do it - and if you don't do it their (Government) way - you're OK with the government penalizing you?

You are kidding - right?
I'm with you on that GD.
 
Old 08-05-2009, 05:22 PM
 
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About One in Six U.S. Adults Are Without Health Insurance

83.9% sorry

Too many lawyers in the government so tort reform is a losing battle. Too bad our government will maintain the health care they have and not be forced to go with Obama's plan. Hmmm.
I was not referring to those who have no insurance I was refering to your statement "84% of the people are happy with their health insurance" I'm sure that number is too high. There are so many loop holes these companies can use against you if you are ill with something they do not want to pay for. Even if they have no way of winning the argument with a sick client the insurance company will still give it a go, so no 84% is a stretch. Satisfaction isn't that high for car insurance let alone these blood sucking, bottom feeding scumbags.
 
Old 08-05-2009, 05:37 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Coupled with strong regulations of the insurance industry, nothing less. If it becomes a watered down affair, in which I think we are going to see from both paid off parties, it will fail in time and in short order. It is then a one payer system will be the only alternative.
I believe you're right, unfortunately.
The deceptive lure of 'free' is going to be greater than the need for fair.
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