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Old 04-16-2010, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Southern NC
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and America slips further into the decay of liberalism.
Well, pray about it...that should fix everything.
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Old 04-16-2010, 12:37 PM
 
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Way to go, Judge Crabb!!!!

I think I'll say a private prayer right now, giving thanks to God for keeping government out of my religion. It's much too personal and spiritual an area of life to be tainted by politicians exhorting people to pray in an effort to appear rightious to gullible voters.
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Old 04-16-2010, 12:40 PM
 
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and America slips further into the decay of liberalism.
The decision has nothing to do with liberalism and everything to do with The Constitution.
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Old 04-16-2010, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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Yes, it is not the place of OUR government to make such rules promoting any religious acts, ie prayer. It's not a matter of you if you don't want to, you don't have to. That is a childish and ignorant remark. If you think it's "regressive" to uphold the Constitution, then allow me to show you the border.

Go read the first amendment, and the letters and documents left by the Founding Fathers.

Good for Wisconsin!
First it is not a law, it is non binding resolution.
So now law is being enforced or forced. No one is told they have to pray.

Much like on the gay pride day resolution. You do not have to be gay and you do not have to go to a gay pride parade.
Non binding resolutions are just honorary for that group.
This resolution has had a day since the early 1900s.

Can the SC strike down a non binding resolution which is not a law?
SC rules on Constitutionality of laws not non binding resolutions.
So there will be no precedent for this
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Old 04-16-2010, 12:43 PM
 
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Prayer is religious.
Otherwise, what would you pray for/to? Yourself?

Here's the Merriam-Webster definition of prayer:

Prayer - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
Date: 14th century
1 a (1) : an address (as a petition) to God or a god in word or thought <said a prayer for the success of the voyage> (2) : a set order of words used in praying b : an earnest request or wish
2 : the act or practice of praying to God or a god <kneeling in prayer>
3 : a religious service consisting chiefly of prayers —often used in plural
4 : something prayed for
5 : a slight chance <haven't got a prayer>
Oh, so now specifics of definitions mean something. How convenient.
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Old 04-16-2010, 12:46 PM
 
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I beg your pardon! I am a conservative which means I work. Actually I own a thriving business. Don't imply I am a left winger looking for handouts.
What is that supposed to mean? I'm a liberal and I've worked all my life.
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Old 04-16-2010, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Way to go, Judge Crabb!!!!

I think I'll say a private prayer right now, giving thanks to God for keeping government out of my religion. It's much too personal and spiritual an area of life to be tainted by politicians exhorting people to pray in an effort to appear rightious to gullible voters.
The MOST common sense response in this thread

Though, I might add, that this judge's ruling is just a tit-for-tat.
If it's not the government's place to declare a national day of prayer, along those same lines it's not the judge's place to say we can't have a day of prayer...
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Old 04-16-2010, 12:47 PM
 
Location: 15 months till retirement and I can leave the hell hole of New Yakistan
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I don't think you understand the point, or if you even care to.

One religion, 50 religions, no religions, it is unconstitutional for any government of the US to give any preference of act or even disingenuousness to any belief.

It's really very simple. But I guess you think it's just a war on Christianity, right?
I dont think you understand...I am not christian

the POINT is that a "national" day of ANYTHING, is not making that onething the only thing

its a day of prayer...just like a day of rememberance...just like a day of rest......just like a day of romance



YOU are making a big deal about a NON-OFFICIAL day (not a PAID holdiday off)

its not an OFFICIAL federal holiday (not a paid day off)

1795-FEB-19: George Washington proclaimed a day of public thanksgiving and prayer.

1863-MAR-30: Abraham Lincoln signed a Congressional resolution of MAR-3 which called for a day of fasting and prayer durin the Civil War (1860-1865).

1952-APR-17: A bill proclaiming an annual National Day of Prayer (NDP) was unanimously passed by both houses of congress. President Truman signed it into law. It required the President to select a day for national prayer each year.



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it is unconstitutional for any government of the US to give any preference of act or even disingenuousness to any belief.
would that include "national coming out day"

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Old 04-16-2010, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Long Beach
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First it is not a law, it is non binding resolution.
So now law is being enforced or forced. No one is told they have to pray.

Much like on the gay pride day resolution. You do not have to be gay and you do not have to go to a gay pride parade.
Non binding resolutions are just honorary for that group.
This resolution has had a day since the early 1900s.

Can the SC strike down a non binding resolution which is not a law?
SC rules on Constitutionality of laws not non binding resolutions.
So there will be no precedent for this
Apparently you don't understand the first amendment. So I won't bother until you do.

Endorsing prayer, ie giving it a it's own day, is unconstitutional. You don't need the governemnt giving you a day to pray anyway.

Aren't conservatives all for less government? So shouldn't you be happy? There is now less government intrusion into the personal act of prayer.

But then again, the ENTIRE right wing of this country constantly likes to redefine hypocracy.
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Old 04-16-2010, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Earth
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The MOST common sense response in this thread

Though, I might add, that this judge's ruling is just a tit-for-tat.
If it's not the government's place to declare a national day of prayer, along those same lines it's not the judge's place to say we can't have a day of prayer...
So he's correcting a wrong.
It's a sum zero at this point.
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