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Words are not the truth. How can they be? Words change (and their meanings) with each passing generation. Words are merely pointers toward something that cannot be uttered. And the true wisdom lies within the person who interprets the words to be congruent to their own revealed "truth."
If you believe the "Bible" (which one???) is the "ultimate truth" then you are living in a static historical fantasy. Words are truly nothing. They are mere ideas that depend upon whatever the collective society determines they mean.
If - as the Bible says - the truth is "written in men's hearts" then all this debate is useless.
Yes Whoppers, you are correct. I didn't think it was the place for a lecture on the Greek New Testament, all its variants, or the subtleties of textual criticism. I figured my post was beyond the interest of most of the readers of this forum in the first place. Most are more interested in bashing than learning.
Yes Whoppers, you are correct. I didn't think it was the place for a lecture on the Greek New Testament, all its variants, or the subtleties of textual criticism. I figured my post was beyond the interest of most of the readers of this forum in the first place. Most are more interested in bashing than learning.
Ah, but that stuff is fun! The learning - I mean.
As for the bashing, I think that the most oft-used arguments are also the easiest to be shown as being non-arguments, with a little more research than is normal - whether it be contextual, critical, historical, literary, etc...
I think there's an immense rage that's involved with some people when they either discover their beliefs are being questioned, or when they discover that their former-beliefs have been shattered and they find themselves in the opposite camp. It usually runs it's course, and finds a happy medium, or some sort of peace somewhere. But woe to those around before that time!
I feel like a lot of Moderator cut: deleted people take it too literally and that some of it doesn't apply to today... any agreements or disagreements?
I think the Bible includes many wise truths but people seem to forget that men wrote the Bible much like someone today would write a book. To me it is a great work of literature that reflects the belief, culture and norms of the time.
So yes...much of it is outdated but I believe truth is truth. So truth will always apply.
It was written by men in order to control people through fear, and guilt. Don't re write it, but it's worth discussing at length due to the hilarity of it all. I have no problem with Christians who love jesus, and god, but most of the "good book" is just plain BAD. Faith doesn't need all of that begetting, begatting, circumcision, etc.
It was written by men in order to control people through fear, and guilt. Don't re write it, but it's worth discussing at length due to the hilarity of it all. I have no problem with Christians who love jesus, and god, but most of the "good book" is just plain BAD. Faith doesn't need all of that begetting, begatting, circumcision, etc.
But... the begetting is the good part! Who doesn't like a little sex thrown into a story? Come on.....
It was written by men in order to control people through fear, and guilt.
May be the Christian Bible; not so the Bible, or, if you prefer, the Jewish Bible.
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The learning - I mean.
