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The question came to my mind during a conversation here on board. We were discussing if Atheism will ever be a majority, or even complettely wipe out religion from this planet. I mentioned that France may be close to a possible model , but I wonder what the ramifications of a totally Atheist society and state would be?
Would there be advantages and disadvantages, and what would those be? To even think of a society without religion , would be like a whole new kind of civilization for man, because religion has always been a major factor with humans, excluding primordal man. Is it even a valid real possibility, or is it just hopeful speculation?
For the world to be totally Atheist, the transformation required would indeed be the most dramatic historical change humanity has ever made. Almost cataclismic and stupendous, it would be nothing short of incredible! Atheism would have to do far more than what religion did , to complettely incert itself into the consciousness of all of humanity.
It surely would have to then remove religion totally from human consciousness, something I think is impossible; and yet, just to examine the senerio for what its worth, no one could deny that religion must first be removed from all peoples. The belief system of humanity as a whole, would have to be changed and belief in God or gods must be permenently excised.
Thats a very tall order ( one would then, at the least, should compliment religion for doing this already). I wonder if Atheism then would follow any example, conversely, that religion has already laied? You know, copy at least some of how religion did this incredible thing; the domination of human thought. What role would science then take on? A different role than it has now? Or would science even coperate? Would Atheism have its own inquisitions? And what would the risk factors be?
What would a world entirely populated by Atheist be like?
A world full of atheists would be the definition of anarchy. They are accountable to nothing and no one.
I was looking at a list of the (known) atheists in film, radio and televison...the list had a few surprises but what I noticed most was that many of those mentioned were people of low moral character (or have made life decisions that were immoral). Specifically...
Woody Allen, Roman Polanski - two child molesters
numerous porn stars
misogynist Tom Leykis
razor tongued Ricky Gervais
and many others who have been known to either produce works that reflect their lack of spirituality or have made life decisions that reflect Godless lives
I did not say that all violence would end, but only that caused by religion...Just take a look at history, real history, not your twisted version of it. Over 800 million people have died in religious wars. By comparison, 209 million have died in the name of Communism. Some 62 million died during World War II, civilian and military, on all sides. Conclusively, more people have died in the name of religion than in the name of Communism or Hitler. These numbers do not include minor conflicts that happen daily...For instance as of Jan 27th 434 people have been killed in Iraq in Sunni vs Shiite conflicts since the troops left.
You honestly don't think that even without religion, religious wars would continue?
If you want to view the real killers, look at these;
Small Pox killed 60 million Europeans, and 500 million in the 20th century.
Spanish Flu killed 100 million
The Black death killed 75 million
Malaria, from the year 1600 until today, kills 2 million a year
Aids kills 25 million a year from 1981 until this day.
These numbers do not include many other plagues. Religion has not been the worlds worst killer.
A world full of atheists would be the definition of anarchy. They are accountable to nothing and no one.
I was looking at a list of the (known) atheists in film, radio and televison...the list had a few surprises but what I noticed most was that many of those mentioned were people of low moral character (or have made life decisions that were immoral). Specifically...
Woody Allen, Roman Polanski - two child molesters
numerous porn stars
misogynist Tom Leykis
razor tongued Ricky Gervais
and many others who have been known to either produce works that reflect their lack of spirituality or have made life decisions that reflect Godless lives
Do you really want to pursue this line of reasoning? Shall I research religious people of low moral character, or will you accept prison statistics?
W. T. Root, professor of psychology at the Univ. of Pittsburgh, examined 1,916 prisoners and said "Indifference to religion, due to thought, strengthens character," adding that Unitarians, Agnostics, Atheists and Free-Thinkers are absent from penitentiaries or nearly so.
The non religious in the US is over 14% of the population, but only comprise 0.029% of those incarcerated...Why do you suppose that is if you religious are so moral?
If you want to view the real killers, look at these;
Small Pox killed 60 million Europeans, and 500 million in the 20th century.
Spanish Flu killed 100 million
The Black death killed 75 million
Malaria, from the year 1600 until today, kills 2 million a year
Aids kills 25 million a year from 1981 until this day.
These numbers do not include many other plagues. Religion has not been the worlds worst killer.
For the love of Mike...I did NOT claim that religion is or was the worst killer....I'm talking about violent religious conflict, and nothing else...Do you have some kind of comprehension problem?
Without religion there would be no more killing over who has chosen the correct god....Do you understand now?
For the love of Mike...I did NOT claim that religion is or was the worst killer....I'm talking about violent religious conflict, and nothing else...Do you have some kind of comprehension problem?
Without religion there would be no more killing over who has chosen the correct god....Do you understand now?
Well if your talking about nothingelse behind the shadows of debate, then I certainly agree that without religion there would be no religious reasons to war. But war itself wouldnot end. I am just not going to allow you to make religion the scapegoat of war and killing, humans are the reason for that. Not religion or Atheism; humans!
You know I am getting rather tired of threads and posts made by you holier than thou people expressly to denigrate the non religious people on this forum...If I did the same and targeted any religion the thread would be quickly locked and some posts deleted...
Do you really want to pursue this line of reasoning? Shall I research religious people of low moral character, or will you accept prison statistics?
W. T. Root, professor of psychology at the Univ. of Pittsburgh, examined 1,916 prisoners and said "Indifference to religion, due to thought, strengthens character," adding that Unitarians, Agnostics, Atheists and Free-Thinkers are absent from penitentiaries or nearly so.
The non religious in the US is over 14% of the population, but only 0.029% of those incarcerated...Why do you suppose that is if you religious are so moral?
I expressed MY opinion just as you have expressed yours.
I believe that atheists generally tend to be self-centered, self indulgent with a lack of regard for others and lacking in morals overall. I am free to have that belief regardless of the stats that you choose to post. Atheists are faithless and they hate (or at the very least are condescending to) those who do have faith.
You know I am getting rather tired of threads and posts made by you holier than thou people expressly to denigrate the non religious people on this forum...If I did the same and targeted any religion the thread would be quickly locked and some posts deleted...
You are debating with me now; I am not holy and I am not religious! And I am not the one getting tired and upset- you are! I am not insulting anyone- you are!
And you target religion EVERYDAY on this forum!
So your hissy fit falls on deaf ears!
Keep your shirt on and your mind sharp, your going to need that if you continue with me.
I expressed MY opinion just as you have expressed yours.
I believe that atheists generally tend to be self-centered, self indulgent with a lack of regard for others and lacking in morals overall. I am free to have that belief regardless of the stats that you choose to post. Atheists are faithless and they hate (or at the very least are condescending to) those who do have faith.
You really don't know any atheists do you? If you did you would not be making such false statements.
You are debating with me now; I am not holy and I am not religious! And I am not the one getting tired and upset- you are! I am not insulting anyone- you are!
And you target religion EVERYDAY on this forum!
So your hissy fit falls on deaf ears!
Keep your shirt on and your mind sharp, your going to need that if you continue with me.
Peace.
Now you are just being funny...
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...I did NOT claim that religion is or was the worst killer....I'm talking about violent religious conflict, and nothing else...Do you have some kind of comprehension problem?
