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In the same way that being against pre-martial sex, greed, and killing isn't hateful. Many people, myself included, find gay sex repulsive, but wonder if their truly is a God, then why do some people seem predisposed to being gay from an early age?
It would appear that sexual orientation is biological in nature, determined by genetic factors (Mustanski et al, 2005) and/or the early uterine environment (Blanchard et al. 2006).
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If spite of this question of faith, I don't think science or the human mind is capable of explaining that born nudists feel shame at around five. Modesty is pretty strong evidence that the books of Moses are, in fact, true. We have spiritual thoughts, or lack of them for a reason.
That's a large logical leap. Modesty isn't as prevalent in other cultures. Europe for example is much more open to nudity (but they are not nudists), and they have coed spas/saunas, coed nude beaches, etc.
Modesty is a social construct and is common in America due to Puritan religious views.
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Because Christianity, Judaism and Islam follow a faith that is against gays, a society that trusts in God will not support gay marriage.
Most Jews support gays, and I'd say a large chunk if not the majority of Christians have no problem with gays. You're generalizing based on the vocally obnoxious Fundie group exclusive to the United States.
I have to smile at the fundies suggesting straight folk that support the gays are doing so out of some unaddressed issues.
Let me offer an equally stupid argument.
If the rest of the world let South Africa remain racist, the gays would never have gotten their rights to marry.
It took a regime change and a culture shock before they got what they wanted and you want to know why? Black folk have (from what I have witnessed) not ever ostracised gay folk. They seem to understand it is natural and unavoidable.
There is a connection here if you can connect the dots.
1. You obviously have no knowledge of the present national STD Epidemic of 33 circulating STD's shared among some 65,000,000 adult Americans of which 61% come from MALE HOMOSEXUALS . Sources : CDC, Kaiser Family Foundation, and other independent studies.
1.a. Without the Christian Faith, the entire world would be in peril ... just from response to natural disasters alone and not including the countless other humanitarian efforts . Theres no atheist organizations for this because human life is rendered to to an undignified pond protozoa which magically popped into existence for no reason whatsoever.
First off, I agree with you that gays are wrong in saying it's not a choice. I'm straight, and choose to be celibate because I'm waiting on the one I love. Therefore, gays can also choose not to have sex.
Why gays have gay thoughts from a young age is much more perplexing.
Conversely, as mentioned on this thread, lesbians have a lower rate of STDs than straight people.
The atheist alliance inexplicably builds homes for the poor. Atheists have no motivates to help out others save unrewarded goodwill, and yet they do it anyway, so never say never. Also atheists have started a singular charity porn website. There are billions of porn websites, but only one for charity porn.
Many volunteers for charities are atheists. The organizations themselves usually are not, because people (and who can blame them) believe atheists will steal their money.
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It's not a logical leap. The US has many nude beaches as well. We still can't explain why children with nudist parents naturally feel embarrassed being naked around others, almost as soon as they can talk.
I believe in the books of Moses for this reason, the Gods said we would feel shame from being naked after the fall. What you have to wonder is why it's been so many years, and we still haven't been able to return, as a society, to being naked as it was in the garden.
I have to smile at the fundies suggesting straight folk that support the gays are doing so out of some unaddressed issues.
Let me offer an equally stupid argument.
If the rest of the world let South Africa remain racist, the gays would never have gotten their rights to marry.
It took a regime change and a culture shock before they got what they wanted and you want to know why? Black folk have (from what I have witnessed) not ever ostracised gay folk. They seem to understand it is natural and unavoidable.
There is a connection here if you can connect the dots.
You know Seeker, if they were to take a lesson from the Native Americans, they would find that within our culture we had no problems with homosexuals either. In our culture they are considered people of Two Spirits and are regarded very highly, most often they are asked to sit in the men's council so that members of the council can get an insight as to what the women's council are thinking and vice versa, they are considered very spiritual people and are often seeked out for advice. You know it's a real shame that because of some antiquated writings in a book of fairy tales that a group of people are so misunderstood and persecuted and denied equality and respect that are afforded to others. Such antiquated thinking is the cause of so much division within the world today. osay
You know Seeker, if they were to take a lesson from the Native Americans, they would find that within our culture we had no problems with homosexuals either. In our culture they are considered people of Two Spirits and are regarded very highly, most often they are asked to sit in the men's council so that members of the council can get an insight as to what the women's council are thinking and vice versa, they are considered very spiritual people and are often seeked out for advice. You know it's a real shame that because of some antiquated writings in a book of fairy tales that a group of people are so misunderstood and persecuted and denied equality and respect that are afforded to others. Such antiquated thinking is the cause of so much division within the world today. osay
Also atheists have started a singular charity porn website. There are billions of porn websites, but only one for charity porn.
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Many volunteers for charities are atheists. The organizations themselves usually are not, because people (and who can blame them) believe atheists will steal their money.
I have to smile at the fundies suggesting straight folk that support the gays are doing so out of some unaddressed issues.
Let me offer an equally stupid argument.
If the rest of the world let South Africa remain racist, the gays would never have gotten their rights to marry.
It took a regime change and a culture shock before they got what they wanted and you want to know why? Black folk have (from what I have witnessed) not ever ostracised gay folk. They seem to understand it is natural and unavoidable.
There is a connection here if you can connect the dots.
Micronesia and Polynesia also have well integrated gay and transgender communities, as I learned in my time living overseas.
Haha, I used to take a wildly unreasonable amount of psychedelic drugs, but then I stopping drinking, drugs, and eating meat, and became more religious and successful (but overall, still terribly unsuccessful) because of it.
Also the main reason I responded to your post is because you're from Valencia, and I want to go to Berklee in Spain. You write English perfectly, do most people there speak English? Would you recommend going?
First off, I agree with you that gays are wrong in saying it's not a choice. I'm straight, and choose to be celibate because I'm waiting on the one I love. Therefore, gays can also choose not to have sex.
Nobody has ever claimed having sex with someone is not a choice. What we're discussing is orientation. Orientation refers to which sex a person is attracted to. Attractions cannot be voluntarily chosen. We don't actively decide if we are going to find men or women attractive, and then choose accordingly. We look and someone and immediately say "Hmm, they are attractive".
Attractions are a biologically determined trait that involve no choice. How you respond to those attractions with your behavior is a choice, but that isn't what this discussion is about.
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I believe in the books of Moses for this reason, the Gods said we would feel shame from being naked after the fall. What you have to wonder is why it's been so many years, and we still haven't been able to return, as a society, to being naked as it was in the garden.
Seeing as the Garden of Eden is part of a metaphoric Hebrew story, not a literal place, I'm not sure how that's relevant. Did it ever occur to you that society created shame regarding nudity, and then came up with a religious explanation for it, as opposed to the other way around?
I'm straight, and choose to be celibate because I'm waiting on the one I love.
Seeing you have an unnatural obsession with porn and nudity, I would suggest going out and getting laid. Women and esp. your future Mrs, is going to be sorely disappointed if you cannot rise to the occasion and satisfy her.
You can read up all you want but practical experience goes a lot further. Just use protection.
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