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Hate resides within individuals and is NOT a characteristic of any positions held. Positions can be held with or without hate. That some who oppose gay marriage are hateful does not make the position against gay marriage an indicator of hate. We need to be very careful when trying to make such sweeping judgments about people and the positions they hold on various issues.
Hate resides within individuals and is NOT a characteristic of any positions held. Positions can be held with or without hate. That some who oppose gay marriage are hateful does not make the position against gay marriage an indicator of hate. We need to be very careful when trying to make such sweeping judgments about people and the positions they hold on various issues.
I think it is reasonable to dislike choices people have made in life, such as politics and religion; but it is evil to dislike people for characteristics that they are born with, that they can not change and have no control over such as race or gender or sexual orientation.
We need to be very careful when trying to make such sweeping judgments about people concerning things over which they have no control.
I think it is reasonable to dislike choices people have made in life, such as politics and religion; but it is evil to dislike people for characteristics that they are born with, that they can not change and have no control over such as race or gender or sexual orientation.
There can be no presumption of dislike or hatred possible in merely holding a contrary position . . . that is the point. It is supremely unfair to presume that there is hatred or dislike simply because there is opposition and disagreement. Clearly you believe that there must be some hatred or dislike behind the opposition to gay marriage. I do not believe that is a necessary condition, period.
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We need to be very careful when trying to make such sweeping judgments about people concerning things over which they have no control.
There is also no necessary presumption of judgment involved in the opposition. It is just as unfair to presume that there is as to presume there is hatred or dislike.
There can be no presumption of dislike or hatred possible in merely holding a contrary position . . . that is the point. It is supremely unfair to presume that there is hatred or dislike simply because there is opposition and disagreement. Clearly you believe that there must be some hatred or dislike behind the opposition to gay marriage. I do not believe that is a necessary condition, period.There is also no necessary presumption of judgment involved in the opposition. It is just as unfair to presume that there is as to presume there is hatred or dislike.
I disagree...Some folks may simply disagree with the idea of same sex relationships, but you don't have to read far on the many gay threads before the hate is glaringly obvious...
Great minds discuss ideas, and small minds discuss people.
I disagree...Some folks may simply disagree with the idea of same sex relationships, but you don't have to read far on the many gay threads before the hate is glaringly obvious...
Great minds discuss ideas, and small minds discuss people.
It seems you are discussing people on the gay threads and NOT the fundamental idea of opposition without malice that I am discussing. What did you say about great minds, Sans? I am not suggesting that there are no hateful people opposed to gay marriage nor that there are not people who dislike gays who are opposed. What I AM saying is that it is NOT necessary to hate or dislike to be opposed . . . as the OP erroneously asserts.
It seems you are discussing people on the gay threads and NOT the fundamental idea of opposition without malice that I am discussing. What did you say about great minds, Sans? I am not suggesting that there are no hateful people opposed to gay marriage nor that there are not people who dislike gays who are opposed. What I AM saying is that it is NOT necessary to hate or dislike to be opposed . . . as the OP erroneously asserts.
It seems you are discussing people on the gay threads and NOT the fundamental idea of opposition without malice that I am discussing. What did you say about great minds, Sans? I am not suggesting that there are no hateful people opposed to gay marriage nor that there are not people who dislike gays who are opposed. What I AM saying is that it is NOT necessary to hate or dislike to be opposed . . . as the OP erroneously asserts.
No, I'm not talking about people, I'm talking about the hate I see, but as you say it is not from everyone who disagrees with same sex marriage, and it is often hard for me to separate the hate from the people who are constantly spewing it.
Hate resides within individuals and is NOT a characteristic of any positions held.
Unless the entire foundation for the position held IS hatred. If hatred is the only thing that can justify the existence of such a position then questions need to be asked. So far it appears that is the sum total of the arguments against homosexuality that we have been offered here.
Unless the entire foundation for the position held IS hatred. If hatred is the only thing that can justify the existence of such a position then questions need to be asked. So far it appears that is the sum total of the arguments against homosexuality that we have been offered here.
There has been no such evidence that hatred of homosexuals is the ONLY reason to oppose gay marriage . . . the existence of such hatred in individuals notwithstanding.
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