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Old 10-23-2007, 12:57 PM
 
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The christain religion has survived thru the centuries because to doubt was punishable, sometimes by death, not because it was the "truth". It was, and still is, proclaimed as a "truth" without evidence. Labelling something to be true is easy, the hard part is to prove it.
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Old 10-23-2007, 01:01 PM
 
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The christain religion has survived thru the centuries because to doubt was punishable, sometimes by death, not because it was the "truth". It was, and still is, proclaimed as a "truth" without evidence. Labelling something to be true is easy, the hard part is to prove it.
To believe was punishable by death long before disbelief was punishable by death.
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Old 10-23-2007, 01:04 PM
 
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The christain religion has survived thru the centuries because to doubt was punishable, sometimes by death, not because it was the "truth". It was, and still is, proclaimed as a "truth" without evidence. Labelling something to be true is easy, the hard part is to prove it.
the Christian religion survived thru severe persecution of Christians as well..being thrown to lions..tortured..burned..beheaded..shot..so.there goes your theory on that one...
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Old 10-23-2007, 01:09 PM
 
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the Christian religion survived thru sever persecution of Christians as well..being thrown to lions..tortured..burned..beheaded..shot..so.there goes your theory on that one...
So islam must be real b/c of the sacrifice of its believers? Fanatics die for all sorts of unfounded reasons.
As to the original post, I agree. The basic premise behind xianity is absurd. God sending himself/son to die to protect people from the very rules he himself created. A waste of time.
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Old 10-23-2007, 01:14 PM
 
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An omnipotent being cannot sacrifice himself. The meanings of the two terms are mutually exclusive.

Sacrifice implies loss. Since an omnipotent being, by definition, cannot die, he cannot sacrifice his life.

This is one of those (many) cases where religious belief requires one to suspend logic and the meaning of language in order to hold such a belief.
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Old 10-23-2007, 01:15 PM
 
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So islam must be real b/c of the sacrifice of its believers? Fanatics die for all sorts of unfounded reasons.
As to the original post, I agree. The basic premise behind xianity is absurd. God sending himself/son to die to protect people from the very rules he himself created. A waste of time.
i didnt say that what made it real..and if one understood Christianity..one would understand that it wasnt to protect people from anything.. Jesus death was to make a way for all men/women to be reconcilled with their creator.
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Old 10-23-2007, 01:17 PM
 
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An omnipotent being cannot sacrifice himself. The meanings of the two terms are mutually exclusive.

Sacrifice implies loss. Since an omnipotent being, by definition, cannot die, he cannot sacrifice his life.

This is one of those (many) cases where religious belief requires one to suspend logic and the meaning of language in order to hold such a belief.
well..if Christ is both God and Man...then he can....your thinking of my being illogical is also referred to as ..faith
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Old 10-23-2007, 01:25 PM
 
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i didnt say that what made it real..and if one understood Christianity..one would understand that it wasnt to protect people from anything.. Jesus death was to make a way for all men/women to be reconcilled with their creator.
Yes, but it is God's dumb rules that Jesus has to save people from. God is preoccupied with sexuality and other petty things one would imagine wouldn't bother a god. Even murder doesn't make sense for God to be worried about if there truly is everlasting life- our lives are not even a millisecond compared to eternity- eternity almost makes our brief lives valueless, and in return, everything that occurs in them would semmingly be valueless in comparison to the eternal lives we have "after death". Yet, god requires us to determine within our very short lives that "jesus" (as opposed to all the other equally plausible religons) is real (otherwise we are punished eternally for the very infinite crime of not choosing jesus as the ONE truth based on little to no evidence). Sorry, but the xianity story, to me, turns god into a petty sadistic monster.
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Old 10-23-2007, 01:32 PM
 
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An omnipotent being cannot sacrifice himself. The meanings of the two terms are mutually exclusive.

Sacrifice implies loss. Since an omnipotent being, by definition, cannot die, he cannot sacrifice his life.

This is one of those (many) cases where religious belief requires one to suspend logic and the meaning of language in order to hold such a belief.
Sacrifice means to make something sacred. The crucifixion was a sacrifice in the same way that an ancient Hebrew priest would have sacrificed an animal for a blood offering.

You could argue that Christ was already sacred, but it was the crucifixion that sanctified what Christ said and did even if you merely view him as a fully human prophet.
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Old 10-23-2007, 01:33 PM
 
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So islam must be real b/c of the sacrifice of its believers? Fanatics die for all sorts of unfounded reasons.
As to the original post, I agree. The basic premise behind xianity is absurd. God sending himself/son to die to protect people from the very rules he himself created. A waste of time.
That's not the basic premise behind Christianity.
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