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That's what grosses me out about how some of the more barbaric Christians make a big deal out of blood sacrifice - the killing of Christ seems to be their focus instead of the teachings of Christ.
As I see it a person has to understand, by the experience of Divine Love...different than natural or human love...
The immense capacity of forgiveness.
But even human love...when faced with, say, a partner that has strayed...forgives.
A child that has committed rape or a robbery or murder...is still loved by his/her mom.
When the criminal at Jesus' supposed right recognized him and asked for forgiveness...
What did Jesus say in that very instant? We all know.
This is love...to have loved so much that in an instant all is let go of and
dropped completely is to know real and true and pure love.
An easy task for He Who is Love and created Love.
I can do this when in love and I'm just little old me.
When you value love...you value love.
When you value conflict, ego, pride, being right..that is what you value.
When you understand love, forgiveness, peace, clarity above all else...you begin to know the very Nature
and Mind of God.
That's what grosses me out about how some of the more barbaric
Christians make a big deal out of blood sacrifice
- the killing of Christ seems to be their focus instead of the teachings of Christ.
That's what grosses me out about how some of the more barbaric Christians make a big deal out of blood sacrifice - the killing of Christ seems to be their focus instead of the teachings of Christ.
The OT way of sacrifices was extremely bloody and kind of gross. Think about it...they literally had to kill animals all the time. It was kind of disgusting.
But if you have a bloodless Christ, you have a powerless Christ. You might as well just follow Buddha or any other religious leader--because none of them have the key to forgiveness of sins. Such a Christ has nothing of substance to offer. I can get the same from pop psychology.
It is the Roman romantic version of Christianity. They depend heavily on virgin birth - rising from the dead...paying a divine ransom through blood sacrifice. This concept is much older than Christianity...it is similar to the scapegoat. The ancient tribe would gather with their priests who would supposedly take the sins of their people...mutter a spell - put the sins in the goat and then chase the goat off into the desert to die...thus taking the sins of the people away....It is simply superstition.
As I said--yes, God required animal sacrifices. The other religions copied it. But the sacrifice of Christ was the ultimate sacrifice that solved it once and for all.
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Why?
We are waiting for your answer, pastor Vizio. Enlighten and inspire us.
Also . . . WHY would our Almighty, all-powerful God NEED humans to enforce His judgments and executions??? Is HE actually IMPOTENT??? I am curious about your answer to this as well, Vizio:
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Originally Posted by Vizio
Personally, I believe God is sovereign. The Bible says that God predestines us and gives us the Grace to know him. Ultimately though, we all choose to sin--it's just that some of us are given the Grace to know him. I have no problem with the idea, but I find it interesting to see that someone else is whining about the fact that we get a choice.
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Ultimately, God's goodness is demonstrated by the fact that he redeems us. His greatness and holiness is demonstrated by the fact that he punishes the guilty.
These posts present an utterly irrational set of premises that I simply cannot reconcile in any way. Can you untangle them for me? If God controls everything and is responsible for everything . . . How could human beings have any responsibility for anything? How can a predestined human being ever be guilty of what he is predestined for? Why would a predestined human being be punished for what he is predestined to do? In fact . . . How can a predestined human being have ANY choices at all?
It is the Roman romantic version of Christianity. They depend heavily on virgin birth - rising from the dead...paying a divine ransom through blood sacrifice. This concept is much older than Christianity...it is similar to the scapegoat. The ancient tribe would gather with their priests who would supposedly take the sins of their people...mutter a spell - put the sins in the goat and then chase the goat off into the desert to die...thus taking the sins of the people away....It is simply superstition.
I'm afraid so. But, my goodness, the millions that believe in blood sacrifice as
the way you atoned for your sins to a God of Love...is quite overwhelming...and they can be an angry bunch!! Ha!
So, my thing is if they want to believe that and also believe in a Hell and that will keep
them from breaking into my house...so be it.
I don't really mind what people believe.
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And bec this was a topic earlier..if anyone wants to believe that God or the Impersonal Universe does not
answer prayers or respond in kind to our beliefs and expectations..so be it.
It responds to me every day...because I believe it to be so...that the Universe is there for my joy.
And so it is.
I get what I believe...one of the secrets of this life, I found....kinda late...but I found it, never the less.
The OT way of sacrifices was extremely bloody and kind of gross. Think about it...they literally had to kill animals all the time. It was kind of disgusting.
But if you have a bloodless Christ, you have a powerless Christ. You might as well just follow Buddha or any other religious leader--because none of them have the key to forgiveness of sins. Such a Christ has nothing of substance to offer. I can get the same from pop psychology.
I could have said this same post before 2010, I relate very much...that is how recently I changed.
(Just as an FYI to get know
who Miss Hepburn is more.)
I know where my beliefs and heart were before then...they were good and loving
and with the best of intentions.
They still are...they just woke up to something that made me even wiser and more in love with my Father.
God, cares about the heart. This I know. So I 'm fine with whatever someone believes or thinks.
It does hurt me tho when someone doesn't love my Father, He is my family so it hurts my feelings...I try to not be offended and
trust one day they will experience the love from "Him" as I do.
(That burns them I know...bec they r fine as they are...I just would love it if they felt His Love...so sue me!)
If God controls everything and is responsible for everything . . . How could human beings have any responsibility for anything? How can a predestined human being ever be guilty of what he is predestined for? Why would a predestined human being be punished for what he is predestined to do? In fact . . . How can a predestined human being have ANY choices at all?
What you say above caused Jesus to say....give me your burdens...why? ...
Because they are NOT ours, as you say....
The OT way of sacrifices was extremely bloody and kind of gross. Think about it...they literally had to kill animals all the time. It was kind of disgusting.
But WHY did your god want them to do it?
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