Shapeshifting Jesus Had a Wifes and Kids (genesis, mythology, prophet)

[Ceist]

Originally Posted by Mejsito

^^^ Here

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I'm guessing you didn't bother to click on that link

[Danite]

Originally Posted by Jaymax

I'm guessing you didn't bother to click on that link

Yes I did. Click on this Link First Gospel of the Infancy of Jesus Christ

The manuscript of the Coptic text (CG II), found in 1945 at Nag Hammadi, Egypt, Thomas's Gospel of the Infancy of Jesus Christ starts our look at the Gnostic gospel by establishing it was written to the Israelites alone and then expands on some lesser-known miracles of our Savior. Discover why Jesus Christ formed twelve sparrows of clay to gave them life.

[Danite]

Originally Posted by SoCalAngel2009

That's a fabrication. Jesus was never married. He devoted his life to God. Read his testimony... written by the one and only.

p. 5 Description of Birth and Life of Jesus Up to the Time of His Public Ministry

The history of the marriage law of Christianity is not valid as it has come down through centuries of traditional customs, philosophies, and man-managing; especially through channels which have corrupted almost every other doctrine and ordinance of a sacred gospel. The laws of the marriage covenant have become as perverted as any other part of our religious history. Through the traditions and assumptions of men, celibacy became not only an accepted doctrine of the Church for men and women, but even for Christ!

Fundamentally the question is not "What proof do we have that Jesus was married ?" But rather, "where is there any proof that celibacy was a doctrinal law of God?”

[The debater]

Originally Posted by Danite

Another thing to remember is that the Bible we have was filtered through the early Catholic church, and thanks to Augustus celibacy was considered superior over the congress of man and woman and matrimony. Any text that would explicitly describe Jesus' matrimonial relationship with a woman or women would be excluded from the canonized texts we now have as a matter of course.

The Catholic church didn't filter the scriptures. Please don't say things like that without evidence to back it up.

[SeekerSA]

Originally Posted by The debater

The Catholic church didn't filter the scriptures. Please don't say things like that without evidence to back it up.

What was the council of Nicea then? The poster you responded to is correct but it goes against what you have been spoon fed.

[Danite]

Originally Posted by The debater

The Catholic church didn't filter the scriptures. Please don't say things like that without evidence to back it up.

The fact that there are so many English Bible translations is both a blessing and a problem. It is a blessing in that the Word of God is available to anyone who needs it in an easy-to-understand, accurate translation. It is a problem in that the different translations can create controversy and problems in Bible studies, teaching situations, etc. The differences between the translations can also be a subject of great division within the church body.

Humanly speaking, the Bible was written by approximately 40 men of diverse backgrounds over the course of 1500 years. Isaiah was a prophet, Ezra was a priest, Matthew was a tax-collector, John was a fisherman, Paul was a tentmaker, Moses was a shepherd, Luke was a physician. Despite being penned by different authors over 15 centuries. The authors all present different perspectives, but they all proclaim the same one true God, and the same one way of salvation—Jesus Christ (John 14:6; Acts 4:12). Few of the books of the Bible specifically name their author.

[SeekerSA]

Originally Posted by Danite

Humanly speaking, the Bible was written by approximately 40 men of diverse backgrounds over the course of 1500 years. Isaiah was a prophet, Ezra was a priest, Matthew was a tax-collector, John was a fisherman, Paul was a tentmaker, Moses was a shepherd, Luke was a physician. Despite being penned by different authors over 15 centuries. The authors all present different perspectives, but they all proclaim the same one true God, and the same one way of salvation—Jesus Christ (John 14:6; Acts 4:12). Few of the books of the Bible specifically name their author.

This part is not entirely true. The origin of the authors or the gospels are not known and they were not 1st hand accounts nor were they disciples.

As for the OT, there seems to be consensus Moses wrote nothing personally if he existed at all. It is written in the third person. That is pretty evident by the preambles of "And the Lord said unto Moses...."

There are ideas that Paul's stuff was the work of Jerome and that Paul was a fictitious character.

Most of what you read was translated from the Latin Vulgate which itself is based on dubious claims. There are known add ons like in the Epistles attributed to John supporing the trinity doctrine " ..and these three are one" two verses added after the fact. Do some research and test if what I say is wrong or right.

[mordant]

Originally Posted by Danite

The differences between the translations can also be a subject of great division within the church body.

My favorite was 1 Samuel 20:20:

KJV: "Thou son of a perverse, rebellious woman!"
The Living Bible: "You son of a b__ch!"

I think the resulting kerfuffle caused them to revise it in later printings to "You son of a nobody!"

Originally Posted by Danite

Despite being penned by different authors over 15 centuries. The authors all present different perspectives, but they all proclaim the same one true God, and the same one way of salvation—Jesus Christ

This is manifestly not anywhere near as true as you make it out to be, else there would not be some 40,000 Christian denominations. I will grant you that some minimal consensus is required to call them all Christian, probably that Christ is the central character and that he is divine (for some given definition of 'divine') and that god is benevolent at least on his good days and seeks some kind of congress with mankind.

The truth is that it is written ambiguously enough that it can be molded and cherry picked as needed by different societies and times and eve the personality of different preachers.

Is god angry, judgmental, and punishing? Is he gentle, kindly and loving? Would Jesus toss over tables and take a whip to us if he were here today or would he be meek and mild and gentle? I have heard all these ideas and many more advanced in the name of Jesus and on the basis of scripture.

[savoytruffle]

I think the most pressing issue is...is Shapeshifting Jesus cooler than Raptor Jesus?

[Danite]

Originally Posted by SeekerSA

This part is not entirely true. The origin of the authors or the gospels are not known and they were not 1st hand accounts nor were they disciples.

As for the OT, there seems to be consensus Moses wrote nothing personally if he existed at all. It is written in the third person. That is pretty evident by the preambles of "And the Lord said unto Moses...."

There are ideas that Paul's stuff was the work of Jerome and that Paul was a fictitious character.

Most of what you read was translated from the Latin Vulgate which itself is based on dubious claims. There are known add ons like in the Epistles attributed to John supporing the trinity doctrine " ..and these three are one" two verses added after the fact. Do some research and test if what I say is wrong or right.

Here are the books of the Bible along with the name of who is most assumed by biblical scholars to be the author, along with the approximate date of authorship:

Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy = Moses - 1400 B.C.
Joshua = Joshua - 1350 B.C.
Judges, Ruth, 1 Samuel, 2 Samuel = Samuel/Nathan/Gad - 1000 - 900 B.C.
1 Kings, 2 Kings = Jeremiah - 600 B.C.
1 Chronicles, 2 Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah = Ezra - 450 B.C.
Esther = Mordecai - 400 B.C.
Job = Moses - 1400 B.C.
Psalms = several different authors, mostly David - 1000 - 400 B.C.
Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon = Solomon - 900 B.C.
Isaiah = Isaiah - 700 B.C.
Jeremiah, Lamentations = Jeremiah - 600 B.C.
Ezekiel = Ezekiel - 550 B.C.
Daniel = Daniel - 550 B.C.
Hosea = Hosea - 750 B.C.
Joel = Joel - 850 B.C.
Amos = Amos - 750 B.C.
Obadiah = Obadiah - 600 B.C.
Jonah = Jonah - 700 B.C.
Micah = Micah - 700 B.C.
Nahum = Nahum - 650 B.C.
Habakkuk = Habakkuk - 600 B.C.
Zephaniah = Zephaniah - 650 B.C.
Haggai = Haggai - 520 B.C.
Zechariah = Zechariah - 500 B.C.
Malachi = Malachi - 430 B.C.
Matthew = Matthew - A.D. 55
Mark = John Mark - A.D. 50
Luke = Luke - A.D. 60
John = John - A.D. 90
Acts = Luke - A.D. 65
Romans, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 Thessalonians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon = Paul - A.D. 50-70
Hebrews = unknown, mostly likely Paul, Luke, Barnabas, or Apollos - A.D. 65
James = James - A.D. 45
1 Peter, 2 Peter = Peter - A.D. 60
1 John, 2 John, 3 John = John - A.D. 90
Jude = Jude - A.D. 60
Revelation = John - A.D. 90