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The fundamental reality that Dominionists refuse to acknowledge was clearly outlined by the Supreme Court in its decision in Lee v. Weisman:
But remember, none of these actual legal facts matter. Any judge which doesn't let states enforce an official religion on their citizens is just a far left liberal socialist legislating from the bench.
There is not an atheist on this board who would advocate the Bible, the Quran, the Tanaka, or the Vedas to be made illegal.
Shhh! Don't interrupt his martyrdom fantasy! He hasn't gotten to the good parts yet. At least let him work in Jade Helm, detention centers, and black helicopters before you bring up silly things like facts...
The sooner you get it through your head that this is a marketplace enterprise. Ownership is irrelevant! The State-Owned enterprise is ALLOWING the free expression of religion in the PUBLIC marketplace. There is no government doing anything to any religion. The appropriate environmental context is the free marketplace because that is where the lodging is operating. It is NOT operating in a governmental capacity, period. If we don't clarify these boundaries for the zealous morons who cannot seem to recognize common sense boundaries in their extreme desire to eradicate religious expression, they will just continue to cause trouble where none is needed. There is no heinous violation of anything here! Grow up and get a grip.
Ownership is relevant. Your bias is showing through Mystic. Did someone crap in your Wheaties lately? You are usually halfway coherent and respectful. Guess you have become like the other fundies on this forum now. We disagree with you, so therefore we are morons.
Anyone with half a brain knows that if this same hotel had Quran's in it, Christians would be flipping their lid. The hypocrisy is staggering.
Oh, and FYI, I have said that I personally don't give a crap. It doesn't affect me whatsoever, and it doesn't offend me. That being said, I see why it shouldn't be there. Would I personally make a stink about it? No, but I'm not the one who did.
It seems that you are the one who needs to grow up and get a grip. It seems your grip on reality, and adult conversations has left you recently.
There is not an atheist on this board who would advocate the Bible, the Quran, the Tanaka, or the Vedas to be made illegal.
Correct. But Jeff will simply say 'That may be the case, but just give them the power to make Bibles illegal...'
Though I hope he doesn't because of course, the rule is 'projection'.
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Originally Posted by KCfromNC
But remember, none of these actual legal facts matter. Any judge which doesn't let states enforce an official religion on their citizens is just a far left liberal socialist legislating from the bench.
Yes. This is a political struggle. And in politics, unlike law or science, if you lose a decision, it is not a precedent, but just a battle to be refought until you win.
Favoring Christianity would mean the state run hotel is refusing all other religious texts except for the Bible. You got proof that is occuring? Allowing something to exist in your physical space doesn't mean you favor or even approve of it.
Do you have proof it ISN'T? They aren't "allowing it to exist in their physical space", they are allowing a group of Christians to hand out materials and place them in their rooms. Which would be fine at privately owned hotels, not government run ones. Tell me, how did the Bibles get in every room? Who replaces them when they are worn out or go missing?
The answer? People who are being paid by the state. Taxes are paying for the employees to place Bibles in their rooms. That is why people have an issue with it.
As I told Mystic, I don't really care, but I am not so blinded by my "faith" that I can't understand the issue.
Do you have proof it ISN'T? They aren't "allowing it to exist in their physical space", they are allowing a group of Christians to hand out materials and place them in their rooms. Which would be fine at privately owned hotels, not government run ones. Tell me, how did the Bibles get in every room? Who replaces them when they are worn out or go missing?
The answer? People who are being paid by the state. Taxes are paying for the employees to place Bibles in their rooms. That is why people have an issue with it.
As I told Mystic, I don't really care, but I am not so blinded by my "faith" that I can't understand the issue.
The general manager of a hotel had to accept them first. Donations help pay for the cost of the bibles, whether they go missing or worn out. It has about a 25 percent success if you want to call it that. Actually it was the International Bible Study that came about 75 years before the Gideons. There are other religious reading materials offered in other lodging places like Book of Mormons, Buddhism etc.
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True, but a state run facility using state funding, would have to allow every other group to put their sacred texts in the room. That means every religious text.
Where would one sleep?
Probably not in the drawer
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