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I never said I would post them. I am quite confident in my evidence and also intelligent enough to know it would be a waste of time here.
I think you did. I remember waiting to see what they were. So, what this boils down to is..... you claim to have THE evidence.... but you refuse to post it.
If I had the evidence you claim to have.... I would post it in a nanosecond.
For a long time I thought that "Testicles" was a tragic character in an ancient Greek play … He had an identical twin, BTW …
OMG, you people are absolutely killin' me. I am choking over here.
Most fun CD thread in a good long while. IMO.
To keep things OT, personally, I think if God exists, well, it's GOD. Putting in "he couldn't do this to the body because of this" or "maybe there's some other scientific/biological reason we don't understand" doesn't make sense to me because hello, IT'S GOD. If this thing can supposedly turn rivers into blood, create a demigod without sex and whip a universe into place in six days, it can SURELY create a better testicle.
It's God!
For heaven's sake.
No pun intended.
If God really exists (as people believe it to, in a "thinking" being, etc.) and if it really is all-powerful then that thing could make testicles strong enough to withstand a blowtorch if it wanted to (sorry for that visual, guys)...so obviously it either can't or it won't...which brings us back to an ancient argument we're all familiar with.
So, yeah. Not seeing as much intelligence in this design as some are. But that's just me, who the hell am I. I still am not fully understanding the constant need to scratch and fondle them, much less the reason sperm wouldn't manage to either evolve or be intelligently designed to withstand a body temperature seeing as, well, it's created by the body. I probably have as much trouble with the Great Ball Quandary as I have about male nipples. Personally I think men's nipples should come with tiny little tags that say "for entertainment purposes only" but I suppose that's a topic for another thread and another day.
Sure they do, but they usually don't vent rage and anger over non-existent thing or passionately dedicate hours of their life to try and convince believers that their "imaginary god" is sadistic. I don't believe in Buddha, but I never felt the need to go bash Buddhists. There is even an atheist version of the Bible where someone took the time to go verse by verse and trash and mock the Holy Bible. That kind of dedication speaks volumes of the deeply rooted venom that exists in them.
That's because nobody is attempting to force Buddhism into your kid's school or trying to enact or change laws as far as what you can or can't do to your body, how you live and whom you live with and marry and so on based on what the Buddha would do.
There's no long history of people being accused of being anti-Buddhist heretics and being burned at stakes, having their organs torn out slowly one by one, their children and families killed, etc. and then more recently in history, of people not being allowed jobs because they were suspected of not being Buddhist, people being told their kind isn't wanted around here because they aren't Buddhists, people being told they're just lying and pretending to be Buddhists because they're not being seen frequently enough at Buddhist temples, adults being cut off from their families and being disowned because they didn't marry a Buddhist. You don't see show after show about Buddhism, have Buddhism shoved down your throat from the media, at schools, even at the office, in stores, everywhere you go at every Buddhist holiday, get finger-wagged and told off for not being properly Buddhist or have been told, from infancy onward, that if you don't love Buddha in the right way, you're going straight to hell, but what the heck, that's the choice that Buddha gives you because he's so loving.
If all this were happening I GUARANTEE you'd feel the need to "bash Buddhists." 100%, iron-clad guarantee it.
But unlike Christianity...Buddhism doesn't shove itself down everyone's throat and attempt to force people to live its lifestyle no matter what, under threat of eternal torture after death or at the very least, constant niggling "torture" from much more corporeal beings during one's life. All. One's. Life.
That's because nobody is attempting to force Buddhism into your kid's school or trying to enact or change laws as far as what you can or can't do to your body, how you live and whom you live with and marry and so on based on what the Buddha would do.
There's no long history of people being accused of being anti-Buddhist heretics and being burned at stakes, having their organs torn out slowly one by one, their children and families killed, etc. and then more recently in history, of people not being allowed jobs because they were suspected of not being Buddhist, people being told their kind isn't wanted around here because they aren't Buddhists, people being told they're just lying and pretending to be Buddhists because they're not being seen frequently enough at Buddhist temples, adults being cut off from their families and being disowned because they didn't marry a Buddhist. You don't see show after show about Buddhism, have Buddhism shoved down your throat from the media, at schools, even at the office, in stores, everywhere you go at every Buddhist holiday, get finger-wagged and told off for not being properly Buddhist or have been told, from infancy onward, that if you don't love Buddha in the right way, you're going straight to hell, but what the heck, that's the choice that Buddha gives you because he's so loving.
If all this were happening I GUARANTEE you'd feel the need to "bash Buddhists." 100%, iron-clad guarantee it.
But unlike Christianity...Buddhism doesn't shove itself down everyone's throat and attempt to force people to live its lifestyle no matter what, under threat of eternal torture after death or at the very least, constant niggling "torture" from much more corporeal beings during one's life. All. One's. Life.
That's why you aren't complaining about Buddhism.
HTH.
+1
You hit the nail on the head, JerZ. People like Jeff would flip their lid if another religion was doing the same thing they are. Right now, they just don't care, because they are the ones doing it. Don't expect him to get it though.
OMG, you people are absolutely killin' me. I am choking over here.
Most fun CD thread in a good long while. IMO.
To keep things OT, personally, I think if God exists, well, it's GOD. Putting in "he couldn't do this to the body because of this" or "maybe there's some other scientific/biological reason we don't understand" doesn't make sense to me because hello, IT'S GOD. If this thing can supposedly turn rivers into blood, create a demigod without sex and whip a universe into place in six days, it can SURELY create a better testicle.
It's God!
For heaven's sake.
No pun intended.
If God really exists (as people believe it to, in a "thinking" being, etc.) and if it really is all-powerful then that thing could make testicles strong enough to withstand a blowtorch if it wanted to (sorry for that visual, guys)...so obviously it either can't or it won't...which brings us back to an ancient argument we're all familiar with.
And how do you know that testicles made up indestructible material wouldn't cause some other unforeseen problem? See that's where God has you beat. He can see all the unforseen problems, you can't. Our brains are limited. You can play the second guessing game all day. You can take the most perfectly designed man made creation and still find a perceived flaw in it. The human body design works perfectly fine according to God's purpose and plan, and that plan does NOT involve a physical flesh body that can never die.
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So, yeah. Not seeing as much intelligence in this design as some are. But that's just me, who the hell am I. I still am not fully understanding the constant need to scratch and fondle them, much less the reason sperm wouldn't manage to either evolve or be intelligently designed to withstand a body temperature seeing as, well, it's created by the body. I probably have as much trouble with the Great Ball Quandary as I have about male nipples. Personally I think men's nipples should come with tiny little tags that say "for entertainment purposes only" but I suppose that's a topic for another thread and another day.
I'm sure you don't complain about poor design when the human body gives you physical pleasure or the ability to laugh and enjoy life. Instead, there's a billion dollar industry called porn fueled by man's appreciation and lust of God's female design. I say by that factor alone, He did an amazing job.
And how do you know that testicles made up indestructible material wouldn't cause some other unforeseen problem?
God would forsee it...correct?
And I guess...not be able to do anything about that?
Again.
It's GOD.
It can, by the theory, anyway, foresee anything (and does...in fact, foresees everything) and can enact any miracle it desires. ANY miracle. Ever. Under any circumstances.
And being God, surely if it were worried about problems it could keep those problems from happening...without having to place anything else in peril. Correct?
Again, unless it wants the problems to happen, which is...well, never mind. We all know THAT argument.
Sorry, not convinced. Are you saying your god is weak or just that he doesn't really know how to fix something? Or that he doesn't really foresee consequences? Or maybe that it's simply as confused as humans about how to create things correctly so it barges ahead anyway with weird McGyver like quick-fixes that aren't really fixes ("I know what I'll do, I'll just hang these super-sensitive things outside the body as predator handles. Voila, problem fixed!").
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I'm sure you don't complain about poor design when the human body gives you physical pleasure or the ability to laugh and enjoy life. Instead, there's a billion dollar industry called porn fueled by man's appreciation and lust of God's female design. I say by that factor alone, He did an amazing job.
Sometimes I'm quite glad I, along with many other species, am able to feel sexual pleasure. Other times it really doesn't matter very much, as I'm busy doing other things. But while I'm feeling sexual pleasure, sure, I'm glad that evolution favored certain acts being very pleasurable so that I would repeat them, hence continuing the species. And that I've evolved to seek pleasure and avoid pain in general as not doing this would probably reduce my survival chances.
By the way, I'm not "complaining" about "poor design" as we're changing right now anyway, we're always evolving, everything is...but either way it's not a complaint...not sure where you're getting that.
That's because nobody is attempting to force Buddhism into your kid's school or trying to enact or change laws as far as what you can or can't do to your body, how you live and whom you live with and marry and so on based on what the Buddha would do.
Then by that logic, I should see LESS atheists attacking Christianity online because you've succeeded in rooting Christianity out of school, government, laws. But that's not good enough huh? Atheists want to see our faith destroyed because they hate it with a passion. They hate a faith that teaches unforgivable love and forgiveness. It's a pretty warped world when you think those concepts are evil.
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There's no long history of people being accused of being anti-Buddhist heretics and being burned at stakes, having their organs torn out slowly one by one, their children and families killed, etc. and then more recently in history, of people not being allowed jobs because they were suspected of not being Buddhist, people being told their kind isn't wanted around here because they aren't Buddhists, people being told they're just lying and pretending to be Buddhists because they're not being seen frequently enough at Buddhist temples, adults being cut off from their families and being disowned because they didn't marry a Buddhist. You don't see show after show about Buddhism, have Buddhism shoved down your throat from the media, at schools, even at the office, in stores, everywhere you go at every Buddhist holiday, get finger-wagged and told off for not being properly Buddhist or have been told, from infancy onward, that if you don't love Buddha in the right way, you're going straight to hell, but what the heck, that's the choice that Buddha gives you because he's so loving.
If all this were happening I GUARANTEE you'd feel the need to "bash Buddhists." 100%, iron-clad guarantee it.
There's a long history of bloody evil things done all through history, culture and religion. But guess what, that's in the PAST! Christians are not seeking to burn people at the stake so why are you raging against present day Christians for something that never happened to your generation?
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But unlike Christianity...Buddhism doesn't shove itself down everyone's throat and attempt to force people to live its lifestyle no matter what, under threat of eternal torture after death or at the very least, constant niggling "torture" from much more corporeal beings during one's life. All. One's. Life.
That's why you aren't complaining about Buddhism.
HTH.
But your side has no problem shoving secularism down our throats. Just look at these forums. No one is forcing you to be a Christian. A public display of faith is not "shoving".
I think you did. I remember waiting to see what they were. So, what this boils down to is..... you claim to have THE evidence.... but you refuse to post it.
If I had the evidence you claim to have.... I would post it in a nanosecond.
I'm curious about this evidence too.
Lay it on us.
Do you have a picture of a burning bush or something?
Why don't you put this to rest then and give verifiable, scientific PROOF that humans evolved from a single cell.
The evidence has been presented.
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No, it is worse than that. You folks cry fowl when a Creationist accuses an evolutionist of believing a cat can turn into a dog. Yet evolutionist claim dinosaurs turned into birds and wales turned into elephants. I'm not making this stuff up.
A species doesn't evolve into a species that already exists. They evolve into new species. It would be nothing but a random guess when asserting that one species will evolve into a specific thing.
There is evidence that shows that birds are the descendants of dinosaurs. Elephants and whales (with an H; Wales is place) share a common ancestor. Whales did not become elephants because whales still exist. Perhaps a species that would appear similar to a whale evolved into an elephant.
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So you take it by faith that the invisible atom exists because data from scientists say it exists. You are putting faith in the scientist's work that atoms exist.
If that's what you wish to call it. Can I ask how you're defining faith?
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You don't want evidence. You just want me to post evidence so you can shoot it down.
If you can't handle people disagreeing with your opinion, it's best not to talk. Ever.
And isn't withholding the truth of your god a sin? What is it Jesus said? Deny me to your peers and I will deny you to my father? Is not withholding such information a sin? How many potential followers of Christ re going to burn in hell because you were afraid someone would disagree?
I'll recall one thing you said. Something about how the seasons work perfectly which proves God. How does that prove God? Is that not just proof of how the seasons works (rather or not it's perfect is subjective, and frankly quite trivial).
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But that's just me, who the hell am I. I still am not fully understanding the constant need to scratch and fondle them, much less the reason sperm wouldn't manage to either evolve or be intelligently designed to withstand a body temperature seeing as, well, it's created by the body. I probably have as much trouble with the Great Ball Quandary as I have about male nipples. Personally I think men's nipples should come with tiny little tags that say "for entertainment purposes only" but I suppose that's a topic for another thread and another day.
