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When you do it nonstop and you continually attack all "fundamentalists" it does tend to result in us taking it personally. You don't like it when people talk disparagingly of your beliefs, so why do you do it to us?
Well, you see, the point is made about the ideas that "fundamentalists" express, YOU identify with those ideas instead of examining them and saying why it is appropriate TO identify with things like a concept of Justice that is nothing more than revenge. You have nothing to offer but your offense at the criticism of the idea BECAUSE you identify with it WITHOUT EXCUSE.
And there is the problem with your "logical" thinking. Because you had you been present to hear Him prophesy the destruction of Jerusalem, you would have run screaming from His presence claiming He hath a devil. Just like you run screaming from anyone talking about the judgment/discipline aspects of G-d now, and try to say we don't have THE Spirit. Peace
It is NOTHING but your imagination that makes that claim in SPITE of the many times that the simple fact that we will reap what we sow has been explained to you. What part of justice/discipline are you missing about that? You think that Mystic would be horrified about the destruction of Jerusalem because you consider it God's wrath punishing a whole city for the actions of some people and he would be horrified that many had to suffer consequences of the actions and attitudes of others, but that is the way of the world we live in where people don't understand how living in the Way is best for everyone. War IS simply horrible, but it is very human.
I'd like to see the answer to that as well. Anytime I see phrases like : The word, the way, the truth, the path mind control alarm bells go off in my head. Those are the words of high control groups. Mine referred to their religion as THE Truth. What differs is how they use the words. The truth can mean many different things to different people but if you are in a manipulative group it means that ONLY they have the truth and it cannot be gotten anywhere else. So the word that you are referring to; is it THE Word or it is A Word?
I agree. Completely.
Anyone who claims there is only one way to live or one way to G*d has a disturbing mindset and unclean motives.
Here is another example (post below) of how a "manipulative mindset of a high control group" claims to know what is "best for everyone" and calls it the Way. L8Gr8 is spot on. I totally agree.
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Originally Posted by nateswift
It is NOTHING but your imagination that makes that claim in SPITE of the many times that the simple fact that we will reap what we sow has been explained to you. What part of justice/discipline are you missing about that? You think that Mystic would be horrified about the destruction of Jerusalem because you consider it God's wrath punishing a whole city for the actions of some people and he would be horrified that many had to suffer consequences of the actions and attitudes of others, but that is the way of the world we live in where people don't understand how living in the Way is best for everyone. War IS simply horrible, but it is very human.
Well, you see, the point is made about the ideas that "fundamentalists" express, YOU identify with those ideas instead of examining them and saying why it is appropriate TO identify with things like a concept of Justice that is nothing more than revenge. You have nothing to offer but your offense at the criticism of the idea BECAUSE you identify with it WITHOUT EXCUSE.
That's the problem. You misrepresent us at the most basic level. Christianity has NOTHING to do with revenge. Instead of assuming you know us and then ranting about that, why not actually listen to us? You might be surprised.
It is NOTHING but your imagination that makes that claim in SPITE of the many times that the simple fact that we will reap what we sow has been explained to you. What part of justice/discipline are you missing about that? You think that Mystic would be horrified about the destruction of Jerusalem because you consider it God's wrath punishing a whole city for the actions of some people and he would be horrified that many had to suffer consequences of the actions and attitudes of others, but that is the way of the world we live in where people don't understand how living in the Way is best for everyone. War IS simply horrible, but it is very human.
No, you misidentify the origin to begin with. Do you understand what true prophesy is and where it comes from? And THAT, is why Mystic has a problem with what I said about it, and continues to ignore it every time I bring it up, as have you, until you just tried to twist it, because it simply doesn't fit the understanding of your 6 scriptures you're cherry picked to stand on. Peace
I agree. Completely.
Anyone who claims there is only one way to live or one way to G*d has a disturbing mindset and unclean motives.
Here is another example (post below) of how a "manipulative mindset of a high control group" claims to know what is "best for everyone" and calls it the Way. L8Gr8 is spot on. I totally agree.
Yes, because living with a concern for the best interest of everyone is a very disturbing and unclean motive.
You can not even be trying to understand. The Spirit is described in detail in 1 Cor 13, Galatians 5, and the Sermon on the Mount. There is no resemblance to any feelings from a bad taco. Anything that is NOT compatible with those descriptions can NOT be from God or Jesus, period.
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There is nothing subjective about those verses. Anyone who reads them knows exactly what they say and what they mean. There is no disagreement. When we disagree, the one who is consistent with the Spirit as described in those verses is right and the other is wrong, period. What about that is so difficult for you to understand. It has nothing to do with feelings. It is spelled out in black and white in those verses.
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What verses, specifically? Let's do some exegesis on them.
Are you even reading my posts or are you simply knee jerk responding in defense of dogma. The verses are in BOLD.
That's the problem. You misrepresent us at the most basic level. Christianity has NOTHING to do with revenge. Instead of assuming you know us and then ranting about that, why not actually listen to us? You might be surprised.
Your idea of eternal punishment without the possibility of change is NOT justice, but revenge.
Yes, because living with a concern for the best interest of everyone is a very disturbing and unclean motive.
The idea that someone who disagrees with you means they must have a disturbing and unclean motive is antithetical to objective discourse.
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Just like you run screaming from anyone talking about the judgment/discipline aspects of G-d now, and try to say we don't have THE Spirit. Peace
I believe he is confusing it with a set of laws.
