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It's arrogant not to be a mass murderer? Not to condone rape? Not to murder all firstborns?
And let's face it. Biblical God screwed things up big time.
Don't get jammed up with that stuff 303Guy!
The only thing that is more unreasonable than taking the allegorical and metaphorical stories in ancient books as real and literal...is assessing the behavior and mindset of the various characters by those that claim they do not exist.
Nonexistent entities do not condone rape, murder, or screw things up...they don't do anything at all.
Don't get jammed up with that stuff 303Guy!
The only thing that is more unreasonable than taking the allegorical and metaphorical stories in ancient books as real and literal...is assessing the behavior and mindset of the various characters by those that claim they do not exist.
Nonexistent entities do not condone rape, murder, or screw things up...they don't do anything at all.
I know you think that's a very clever argument. Keep patting yourself on the back while you ignore the condoning of rape, murder, and countless other screw-ups. Either god is perfect or he's not god.
I coulda sworn y'all said that the Biblical God didn't exist.
How can something nonexistent do anything, let alone be "immoral" or an "idiot"?
Critiquing the morality of the actions of nonexistent entities is what is demonstrative of an "idiot"...to me, anyway.
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Originally Posted by GldnRule
Don't get jammed up with that stuff 303Guy!
The only thing that is more unreasonable than taking the allegorical and metaphorical stories in ancient books as real and literal...is assessing the behavior and mindset of the various characters by those that claim they do not exist.
Nonexistent entities do not condone rape, murder, or screw things up...they don't do anything at all.
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Originally Posted by phetaroi
I know you think that's a very clever argument. Keep patting yourself on the back while you ignore the condoning of rape, murder, and countless other screw-ups. Either god is perfect or he's not god.
It is a typical twist or what is known and accepted about literary criticism: That actions of even fictional characters in literature are discussed and even judged AS IF they had hapened in real life. Gp;dnRule is trying to pull the wool over the eyes of those who don't know that every criticism of the "actions" of the "character" under discussin is understood to include the thought that if this were happening in real life, this would be the judgement concerni ng those actions.
Znyone who actually believes that those actions took place in fact and attempts to defend them is liable to that judgement intended for the hypothetical or reported action.
If the "action" is declared immoral or idiotic, the defense of such action is immoral or idiotic..
I coulda sworn y'all said that the Biblical God didn't exist.
How can something nonexistent do anything, let alone be "immoral" or an "idiot"?
Critiquing the morality of the actions of nonexistent entities is what is demonstrative of an "idiot"...to me, anyway.
Is Sauron evil? Is Frodo a good guy?
Did Zeus like the ladies?
Saying God is immoral is a shortcut way of saying the god portrayed in the Jewish bible is presented as an immoral monster.
Not understanding this simple concept is demonstrative of an "idiot".
I coulda sworn y'all said that the Biblical God didn't exist.
How can something nonexistent do anything, let alone be "immoral" or an "idiot"?
Critiquing the morality of the actions of nonexistent entities is what is demonstrative of an "idiot"...to me, anyway.
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Originally Posted by GldnRule
Don't get jammed up with that stuff 303Guy!
The only thing that is more unreasonable than taking the allegorical and metaphorical stories in ancient books as real and literal...is assessing the behavior and mindset of the various characters by those that claim they do not exist.
Nonexistent entities do not condone rape, murder, or screw things up...they don't do anything at all.
Thank you, captain obvious. In fact we don't actually believe that a god is responsible for any of those acts, even if we credit the acts. No more than you do, I suppose. So the discussion doesn't relate to your beliefs, but to those who DO believe that a god was behind all of that.
I know you think that's a very clever argument. Keep patting yourself on the back while you ignore the condoning of rape, murder, and countless other screw-ups. Either god is perfect or he's not god.
You will find that Goldie doesn't think the Bible describes God either - no more than his mentor, Mystic phd does. Mystic phd is something of an irreligious theist, though elevating the gospel Jesus story to the pinnacle on his Beliefs so he is in fact a Christian, though the kind that has invented his own brand of Christianity to an extraordinary degree.
Goldie, so it seems to me, doesn't believe any of that any more than we do. Indeed, he isn't a god -believer at all, but pretends that he is because of his detestation of atheists. Mystic admits that God has to be intelligent or it isn't god but nature. Goldie knows this too and admitted it though later tried to pretend that he didn't. And he tries to get around this paradox of a god that isn't a god by semantic dickering that fools no -one, but makes him feel very pleased with himself because he is wasting atheist efforts for Jesus, for whom he is rooting not because he believes in him, but because he thinks it is annoying atheists.
Now you know all you need to about the two most irrelevant time -wasters on the board.
I know you think that's a very clever argument. Keep patting yourself on the back while you ignore the condoning of rape, murder, and countless other screw-ups. Either god is perfect or he's not god.
God (ALL THAT EXISTS) is perfect. How could it be anything but?
It is what it is. And it is GOD.
Thank you, captain obvious. In fact we don't actually believe that a god is responsible for any of those acts, even if we credit the acts. No more than you do, I suppose. So the discussion doesn't relate to your beliefs, but to those who DO believe that a god was behind all of that.
Then just say..."It is all metaphorical and allegorical, it isn't real"...and be done with it.
Y'all are the ones doing an analysis of the actions and mindset of entities you claim do not exist. That is idiotic...to say the least.
At least the religion believers are telling what they have heard or read about the actions and attitude of entities they believe actually exist.
They may be misguided...but at least they make sense to that extent.
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