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I started reading and posting here on CD and I was worried about some of the questions I had about god, jesus and the bible. The point-counterpoint helped me understand and form solid understandings. Here is a quick summary of what I learned:
1. The bible is full of contradictions.
2. The concept of free will is incompatible with biblical teachings.
3. Gods concepts of morality allow slavery, torture, and hate.
4. The original bible has been lost.
5. Christians don't think enough of their own scriptures to learn the original languages.
5. Killing is ok, as long as it is a convicted person, not an embryo.
6. Christians are duplicitious: gay people go to hell (old testament citation) while slave owners (old testament citations) will not.
7. Christians confuse the icon of a cross with their creator.
8. The bible was actually assembled by a guy named Esubias (or similar) who was an employee of emporor constitine--who, by the way murdered his mother and refused to be baptised until he was on his deathbed--so he could lead a wicked life..Catholics call him "Saint" and "Pope."
I am glad that I spent the time and effort on this--I read 5 books, participated in this forum, studied Greek and Hebrew (a little). I worked as hard on this as I have ever worked on anything.
Thank you for your kind assistance and support.
I now KNOW that I do NOT need to spend time or effort in pursuing Christianity--or any other religion, as it is all just a group of enticing myths.
Last edited by dcashley; 02-14-2009 at 08:43 PM..
Reason: typo--left out a word.
I started reading and posting here on CD and I was worried about some of the questions I had about god, jesus and the bible. The point-counterpoint helped me understand and form solid understandings. Here is a quick summary of what I learned:
1. The bible is full of contradictions.
2. The concept of free will is incompatible with biblical teachings.
3. Gods concepts of morality allow slavery, torture, and hate.
4. The original bible has been lost.
5. Christians don't think enough of their own scriptures to learn the original languages.
5. Killing is ok, as long as it is a convicted person, not an embryo.
6. Christians are duplicitious: gay people go to hell (old testament citation) while slave owners (old testament citations) will not.
7. Christians confuse the icon of a cross with their creator.
8. The bible was actually assembled by a guy named Esubias (or similar) who was an employee of emporor constitine--who, by the way murdered his mother and refused to be baptised until he was on his deathbed--so he could lead a wicked life..Catholics call him "Saint" and "Pope."
I am glad that I spent the time and effort on this--I read 5 books, participated in this forum, studied Greek and Hebrew (a little). I worked as hard on this as I have ever worked on anything.
Thank you for your kind assistance and support.
I now KNOW that I do NOT need to spend time or effort in pursuing Christianity--or any other religion, as it is all just a group of enticing myths.
It's a shame that your posts seem to reflect that you already had your mind made up before you came here. Nevertheless, it is your decision to make. I hope you'll be happy with it.
It's a shame that your posts seem to reflect that you already had your mind made up before you came here. Nevertheless, it is your decision to make. I hope you'll be happy with it.
You don't know me. You don't have any idea of my personal thoughts. For you to decide that my personal thoughts are any different from what I've explained is highly arrogant.
imho it would be a great step forward if people could stop this habit of "leading each other on" by asking for opinions on inadequately expressed "questions"!
I started reading and posting here on CD and I was worried about some of the questions I had about god, jesus and the bible. The point-counterpoint helped me understand and form solid understandings. Here is a quick summary of what I learned:
1. The bible is full of contradictions.
2. The concept of free will is incompatible with biblical teachings.
3. Gods concepts of morality allow slavery, torture, and hate.
4. The original bible has been lost.
5. Christians don't think enough of their own scriptures to learn the original languages.
5. Killing is ok, as long as it is a convicted person, not an embryo.
6. Christians are duplicitious: gay people go to hell (old testament citation) while slave owners (old testament citations) will not.
7. Christians confuse the icon of a cross with their creator.
8. The bible was actually assembled by a guy named Esubias (or similar) who was an employee of emporor constitine--who, by the way murdered his mother and refused to be baptised until he was on his deathbed--so he could lead a wicked life..Catholics call him "Saint" and "Pope."
I am glad that I spent the time and effort on this--I read 5 books, participated in this forum, studied Greek and Hebrew (a little). I worked as hard on this as I have ever worked on anything.
Thank you for your kind assistance and support.
I now KNOW that I do NOT need to spend time or effort in pursuing Christianity--or any other religion, as it is all just a group of enticing myths.
Well dcashley, before you rush off, could you yourself show me one countradiction in the Bible? Or are you just taking the word of a non believer?
Well you have showed me those countradictions, and I have answered the one's put before me. And you keep showing me these countradictions from you local athiest web sites. Now the reason you do this, is because it's obvious you have not actually researched them yourself. You just show me one of these long list, and feel comforted, that there are so many of them on the list that there has to be real contradictions there. Of course, you would really have to research them to know this is not the case. Yet when you forget my previous answers, you can always show me these long bogus lists. Now can you show me your best countradiction?
Well you have showed me those countradictions, and I have answered the one's put before me. And you keep showing me these countradictions from you local athiest web sites. Now the reason you do this, is because it's obvious you have not actually researched them yourself. You just show me one of these long list, and feel comforted, that there are so many of them on the list that there has to be real contradictions there. Of course, you would really have to research them to know this is not the case. Yet when you forget my previous answers, you can always show me these long bogus lists. Now can you show me your best countradiction?
I have read the contradictions. And the entire bible for that matter. The contradictions still stand as far as I'm concerned. I don't recall you refuting the over 100 contradictions in the bible, but if you say so it must be true.
My dear Campbell - to make it short. Explain for us these 2 examples of clear contradictions. Just curious
[LEFT][SIZE=2]Did Joshua and the Israelites capture Jerusalem?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2](a) Yes (Joshua 10:23, 40)[/SIZE][/LEFT]
[SIZE=2](b) No (Joshua 15:63)[/SIZE]
[LEFT][SIZE=2] </I>The gospels say that two thieves were crucified along with Jesus. Did both thieves mock Jesus?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2](a) Yes (Mark 15:32)[/SIZE][/LEFT]
[SIZE=2](b) No. One of them mocked Jesus, the other defended Jesus (Luke 23:43)[/SIZE]
I started reading and posting here on CD and I was worried about some of the questions I had about god, jesus and the bible. The point-counterpoint helped me understand and form solid understandings. Here is a quick summary of what I learned:
1. The bible is full of contradictions.
2. The concept of free will is incompatible with biblical teachings.
3. Gods concepts of morality allow slavery, torture, and hate.
4. The original bible has been lost.
5. Christians don't think enough of their own scriptures to learn the original languages.
5. Killing is ok, as long as it is a convicted person, not an embryo.
6. Christians are duplicitious: gay people go to hell (old testament citation) while slave owners (old testament citations) will not.
7. Christians confuse the icon of a cross with their creator.
8. The bible was actually assembled by a guy named Esubias (or similar) who was an employee of emporor constitine--who, by the way murdered his mother and refused to be baptised until he was on his deathbed--so he could lead a wicked life..Catholics call him "Saint" and "Pope."
I am glad that I spent the time and effort on this--I read 5 books, participated in this forum, studied Greek and Hebrew (a little). I worked as hard on this as I have ever worked on anything.
Thank you for your kind assistance and support.
I now KNOW that I do NOT need to spend time or effort in pursuing Christianity--or any other religion, as it is all just a group of enticing myths.
I only had to read a few words of your post and I can say that I agree with you.
We are being had; somebody is getting us real good and I know that unless the REAL truth comes out all if us are going to be in for a real surprise when we; as the Egyptians say; "pass over" to the other side.
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