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Why do you ignore us when we tell you that you are using circular logic?
Because I don't.
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You are so far in denial that you've convinced yourself of some hidden motives behind our disbelief instead of listening and understanding that you can't claim that the bible is true simple because the bible claims it's true.
No....I'm pretty sure that it is true that you can lead an atheist to evidence but not make him think.
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Seriously though. How would you feel if a muslim went to you, asked you why you don't believe the Quran, ignored the answer that you gave him and then heard him/her claim that it was because you were lazy or evil or stupid?
It's too bad that the guy who wrote Genesis never observed it.
Well he did'nt have to. He was raised in Egyptian royal household and schooled no doubt in the mythological ways of Egypt. Had he wrote down what he had been taught in Royal Egyptian school, the outcry here would have really been greater.
However, he did write what he was told to write down by the one who created it. No specific scientific mechanical detailed facts were necessary or purposed. Just order of appearance of things on earth. No 144 hours myth, just creative periods, eras, or epic periods of time. Time does'nt matter, it was'nt necessary to explain to a people who at that time would'nt have comprihended the things we know today anyway.
I realize you don't like the creator thing, and i realize why, I probably would'nt either in your situation, but it does'nt conflict with what science says about the order of appearance of life and events on our earth. You just have to dismiss some of the Kool-Aid stuff. Although I suppose many won't let that happen.
Why do you ignore us when we tell you that you are using circular logic?
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Originally Posted by kdbrich
Because I don't.
No....I'm pretty sure that it is true that you can lead an atheist to evidence but not make him think. .
First: you provide us, almost hourly, with prime examples of circular arguments.
Second: Are you stating that atheists are incapable of proper thought? That only Christians are?
Perhaps Logic's wisdom can penetrate, grasshopper....
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Originally Posted by LogicIsYourFriend
(Example of circular argument, one more time...)
Why do I believe what the bible says?
Because I believe God inspired it.
Why do I believe God inspired it?
Because that's what the bible says.
Why do I believe what the bible says?
Because...
"The dogma chases its own tail.."
BTW, Logic, that's a classic. May I use it as I instruct the young? They at least listen when wisdom enters the room. Not necessarily my limited knowledge, you understand; as with this quote, I mostly quote others' primal knowledge.
No....I'm pretty sure that it is true that you can lead an atheist to evidence but not make him think.
I'm pretty sure you can lead a believer to the evidence, but not make them think. Believers discard claims that have been empirically proven since facts contradict their belief system, so things that have been proven empirically are automatically false. They think that their beliefs can be rationally justified and have evidentiary support, although it is the complete opposite. Their beliefs are merely unverifiable opinions which don't have any merit of objective truth.
If there is convincing evidence as kdbrich claims then the christian religion is a sham covered in hypocrisy. Jesus promised believers that their faith could move mountains, that faith would grant them eternal life but it takes no faith to believe in something backed up with large amounts of evidence.
How is it so difficult to understand that life can come from nothing but a few atoms? If there was a speck of dust, it would have a proton. That proton could split and become two, and then they could split and become 4, etc. Eventually there are millions of atoms, some combine to make different elements due to the heat created by the movement and pressure of other atoms. Those combinations end up creating various elements. Some of those elements combine to create primitive forms of life. Evolution is natural after that. We accept genetics as science, but then we'll deny what makes genetics tick? We know that a poodle and a Labrador will make a labradoodle, and we know that a white man and a black woman will make a child who is half white and half black (in 99.999% of cases), and that the child of two people with the same skin color will still have features from each parent. So if we are the result of centuries of breeding, how are we NOT evolved?
And for that matter, are you really saying that there has been no genetic progress in animals when we clearly see the differences in many animals from century to century? Look at how the Bulldog has evolved in just 100 years since being removed from the fighting rings...
Humans and animals are exactly the same, except that humans just have more developed brains and are capable of higher thought (well, some of us are) and expressive creativity. We see evolution all the time in animals, so why deny its existence? To me, denying evolution is one of the most foolish of the very foolish "Christian" beliefs...
can i direct the argument to another direction ?
actually i believe in existence of evolution process in the sense of your description for it
but is that mean as a fact (not as probability ) that God not exist or that the entire universe not created by him .
what about if i said to you that God controll or create this kind of evolution process you allready described ? are you have any reliable evidence or scientific facts which refutes me ?
another question , and anyone are wellcome to respond
what is the defination of evolution ( the evolution which proofed scienifically without doubts ) ? i want scientific definations please
Leftydan did give you scientific explanation. How much clearer can it be. Life formed imho when things were just right at the right time, place, and moment for that to happen. It is much easier to beleive than some space alien magically poofing life here.
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Originally Posted by elwill
can i direct the argument to another direction ?
actually i believe in existence of evolution process in the sense of your description for it
but is that mean as a fact (not as probability ) that God not exist or that the entire universe not created by him .
what about if i said to you that God controll or create this kind of evolution process you allready described ? are you have any reliable evidence or scientific facts which refutes me ?
another question , and anyone are wellcome to respond
what is the defination of evolution ( the evolution which proofed scienifically without doubts ) ? i want scientific definations please
thanx
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