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Old 10-21-2020, 03:20 PM
 
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And you apparently think I haven't.
I have no idea how you can say what you did in light of Ephesians 2. It is right there.
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Old 10-21-2020, 03:25 PM
 
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It's actually shameful how even people within the same denomination of Christianity treat others within their own denomination, based on differences in how various points of doctrine are interpreted. (I'm speaking from experience on this.)
Interpretation was just another omnigods many mistakes.

Especially with such an important message if any of this is true
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Old 10-21-2020, 03:26 PM
 
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Look at the hyperbole you use in YOUR christianity.

"at war with god" "children of satan".

Now let's start with just this question (cause I wouldn't want to confuse you): who are these children who were not god's creation?
It's what the Bible actually says.

Romans 8:7 "The sinful mind is at war with God. It does not obey God's law. It can't."

And Jesus referred to those that are not in him as children of Satan.

John 8:44 "You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies."
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Old 10-21-2020, 03:28 PM
 
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It's actually shameful how even people within the same denomination of Christianity treat others within their own denomination, based on differences in how various points of doctrine are interpreted. (I'm speaking from experience on this.)
Yes. It is shameful. I've quoted chapter and verse and you guys continue to attack me, suggesting that I'm lying.

Just read the text. That's all I ask. This is not personal. I'm simply quoting Scripture.
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Old 10-21-2020, 03:29 PM
 
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It's what the Bible actually says.

Romans 8:7 "The sinful mind is at war with God. It does not obey God's law. It can't."

And Jesus referred to those that are not in him as children of Satan.

John 8:44 "You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies."
It sounds like jesus is a big failure
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Old 10-21-2020, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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It's what the Bible actually says.

Romans 8:7 "The sinful mind is at war with God. It does not obey God's law. It can't."

And Jesus referred to those that are not in him as children of Satan.

John 8:44 "You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies."
1. But you admit that you are all sinners...so you are at war with god.

2. So again, are you saying that some children when they are born were not created by god? Perhaps another god in the next county over?
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Old 10-21-2020, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Yes. It is shameful. I've quoted chapter and verse and you guys continue to attack me, suggesting that I'm lying.

Just read the text. That's all I ask. This is not personal. I'm simply quoting Scripture.
Mostly people are not suggesting that you are lying. Most are suggesting that you are wrong.
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Old 10-21-2020, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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I have no idea how you can say what you did in light of Ephesians 2. It is right there.
The only verse I can imagine you are thinking of is verse 3, in which we are described as being "by nature the children of wrath." I don't know if it would come as a surprise to you that Mormonism actually teaches that "the natural man is an enemy to God." That's pretty much the same thing, as I see it. But the fact remains that we're not guilty of sin until we commit sin. Yes, we as human beings are very much pre-disposed to be sinful, to do things our consciences tell us are wrong. But sinning requires an intent to disobey, and you can't have that intent until you're of an age when you can understand the difference between right and wrong. Do you honestly believe God sends newborn babies who die to an eternity of eternal torment. If you say He does, I've got to wonder what kind of God you worship. If you say He doesn't, and that He's merciful in instances where a baby or small child dies, you're saying He is inconsistent and doesn't even judge according to His own rules.
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Old 10-21-2020, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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Yes. It is shameful. I've quoted chapter and verse and you guys continue to attack me, suggesting that I'm lying.

Just read the text. That's all I ask. This is not personal. I'm simply quoting Scripture.
When have I EVER suggested that you're lying? I've suggested that you're incorrectly interpreting scripture, but that's not the same thing as suggesting that you're lying. It's not even close.
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Old 10-21-2020, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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It sounds like jesus is a big failure
Why blame Jesus? It sounds more like people are misunderstanding His gospel.
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