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Old 01-06-2017, 09:22 AM
Location: Living rent free in your head
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another thing to keep in mind. If the ACA is repealed, expanded medicaid will go away too and there are relatively large numbers of older people who are under 65 and not yet eligible for Medicare who rely on it for healthcare. If at the same time the retirement age increases for Social Security those folks will be without healthcare until they are 67 or 68 which will be the new 'qualifying age' for medicare.

People whining about SSDI should be aware that a scenario such as I just described will invariably lead to increased applications because that will be the only way that large numbers of people will be able to receive healthcare.
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Old 01-06-2017, 09:29 AM
Location: SC
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What is magical about $118,500?
This is an arbitrary number. Raise it.
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Old 01-06-2017, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by bpollen View Post
"We" don't have that choice. When someone is laid off at age 58, chances are slim that another company will hire him. If they do, he most certainly will get a huge cut in pay. Then there are other jobs where a person finds the job too physical for that age, or develops physical issues that interfere with job performance. It's difficult to change jobs at that age and have another company hire a senior as a "trainee."

The politicians are people who don't really work for a living. They have business luncheons, dinner meetings, meet with committees, go to their offices and have their staffers tell them things that are going on, they do fund raising on the phone. Then they go to fund raisers, call home and talk to the spouse and kids. Then fly home for a week before flying back and repeating. They don't really know what it's like to have a real job, where age matters.

At my former company, I watched several layoffs. They targeted those who weren't great employees, of course. But they also zeroed in on those over 50 and those with tenure who got paid more (they didn't fire ALL of those, or they could have been sued for age discrimination). They also got rid of those with health issues (a recent broken hip, cancer, etc.).

Before SS, about 60% of our seniors lived in poverty. Now, about 20% live in poverty, I've read. SS has been one of the most successful programs our country has ever had. These people have been productive working citizens, and paid into the system for decades. It does precisely what it was designed to do: help prevent seniors from living in poverty.

The UK saying you don't get your funds until you're 68, but you will continue to get full free health care, is very different from the U.S. saying you don't get your funds until you're 68...and you'll have to pay 100% yourself for all your senior health care AND your other living expenses until then...if you live that long without health care.

Talk about death panels. That sounds like the closest thing to a real death panel I've ever heard of.
Its funny- at my last company, we had a big layoff in engineering, after years of having small layoffs. It was obvious to me there was a huge grouping of people in their 40s who had been in the pension plan for a while, and had a ways to go in the pension plan. Since we were grandfathered in and new employees didn't get the plan, bye-bye. What a joke.
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Old 01-06-2017, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by SportyandMisty View Post
I semi-retired at 40 and fully retired before 50.

Great for you but not something even a small minority of people can accomplish. And PLEASE let's not go there with the 'planning ahead' song and dance.
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Old 01-06-2017, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Heather72754 View Post
Great for you but not something even a small minority of people can accomplish. And PLEASE let's not go there with the 'planning ahead' song and dance.
Please don't get him started again!!
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Old 01-06-2017, 11:35 AM
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It just seems fairly logical and really inescapable concept that Republicans wish they could just sweep all the dependent peoples---the aged w/o significant resources, those who actually require social services like Medicaid, those who can't find or don't qualify for a decent paying job w/benefits, children who can't support themselves and need assistance like all those in foster care who received Medicaid,
basically anyone who is not a fully functioning member of society---with a decent job paying over 40K and health benefits---they just want them gone....period...

All of the "needy" people just need to be eviserated from the American system---so that Republicans don't have to be bothered to deal with those people's needs...
They won't come out and say it of course because that would sort of defeat the purpose in being elected...
But that is really the desired result of most of their social legislation and the way they believe money should be spent...

if you are a conservative GOP voter who is low income, low education and form the vast numbers of the "working poor" in our country, then the GOP only cares about your VOTE----not your underlying needs....

The problem is that most Republican voters don't really get that fact and have continued despite some fairly draconian policies put in place by GOP run state governments and the obstructive policies of the Congress especially since Obama was elected -- to vote GOP candidates into office...

Pretty soon Republicans are going to have the reins in their hands--they already have had the bit in their teeth.
Their shallow, mean-spirited, and basically selfish policies and attitudes are going to be in full view....
And even at that point, I fully expect them to refuse responsibility for the mistakes to come---
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Old 01-06-2017, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Hollytree View Post
It's simple if your priorities follow the Republican agenda.
You do know that the Republicans are proposing huge increases in the military budget and decreases in the super rich folks taxes? Look at the estimated budget deficits their proposals will add!!

Social programs are just the bottom of their priority list. What happens to the people they'll throw off medical care? They'll end up bankrupting hospital emergency rooms.
Trump's proposals are just Reagan's on steroids and research has proven that supply-side economics DO NOT WORK to create jobs!!! Not on the scale America needs to support these tax cuts...

In fact most of the uber wealthy people Trump is stuffing in his cabinet have done most of their work and gained most of their income in ways that actually CUT jobs...

I would love to see a well-researched article about how Mnuchin and the other GS picks have enriched themselves by actually deconstructing business vs creating...

DeVoss since she is the Amway heiress is one of the few that likely has created significant jobs and helped people grow wealth--although AmWay to me is just a pyramid scheme that can implode on some of the people who try to empower themselves through it...

Vincent Viola, Trump's Army pick, was West Point grad, former Army officer who went to Wall Street and then created investment company that dealt in the uber-fast trading methods which are borderline illegal...
but I imagine people have gotten wealthy working for him...just don't know how many jobs he would have created...
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Old 01-06-2017, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Larry Caldwell View Post
There are no industrialized nations that don't provide health care to the citizens except for the USA. As retirees know, even Medicare is not free.
But ... bu ... bu ... but ... we're different. We're the spawn of Puritans (whether by blood or cultural osmosis) ... and ... we beat them Euros in 1783. As you know, all Euros are merely crypto Marxist-Leninists in drag!

/ sarc
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Old 01-06-2017, 02:40 PM
Location: Myrtle Creek, Oregon
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Congress has already wrecked the health insurance system. This ex-CEO thinks most insurers will have pulled out of the exchange by 2018. They have to make their decision by March, and things are just too uncertain for an insurance company to continue to participate.

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Old 01-06-2017, 03:06 PM
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Will insurance companies with active ACA plans/customerd be required to notify them in March the plans end Dec 31, 2017??
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