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you know, for a guy who seems to want to keep things civil in his own thread (Quality Ratings Order....What is yours?), you sure do seem to like to poke the badger here.
Mike
I was being civil. I don't like name calling, which I did not do. Thank you for thinking enough of me to go find my thread though. It's always nice to be though of.
I've said it before and I will say it again; we should not confuse quality with reliability. The two can be interrelated to some extent, but not completely.
Have you ever driven a late model Corolla or a Scion? Not the greatest quality, but they tend to be excellent from a reliability standpoint. Another example; German cars... wonderful quality (a new VW CC puts most Toyotas to shame in that regard), but terrible reliability for most models. Part of this might be that Japanese engineers have focused upon simple reliable components and systems in the past and European cars focused upon stuffing their cars with vast amounts of technology.
All of this just confirms my opinion the market is cyclical. Hyundai and Ford are making better and more appealing vehicles (IMO) than many of their Japanese counterparts (with a few exceptions). Complacency is a real issue in the business world.
I would not have bought a Toyota before this all happened because they have not been providing the quality they used to for quite some years now; but yet still charge a premium price for their products. Take away the quality, value, and reliability from a new Toyota and it is simply a boring, overpriced, people mover.
So lets see, Toyotas have killed about 18 people while Fords have a death count of well over 200. Which is more safer? Hmmmmmm.
Well Ford had been making and selling cars to Americans since 1903. How about Toyota? Give them time, they'll catch up.
Also, the reason you don't see many older Yotas and Honda's on the road is because they rusted away 15 years ago. Toyotas from the 80's would rust if it was humid outside. lol
All these people saying that GM, Chrysler and Ford are the kings of recalls and that they'd be out of business if everyone went off recalls yadda yadda. Look at the recall lists, Toyota and Honda have just as many recalls as the domestics do. It may appear that domestics have more, but it's simply because they make more models.
Since Chrysler is usually thought to be the worse, lets compare. Lets just pick 2008.
2008 Chrysler 300 # of recalls: 1
2008 Toyota Camry # of recalls: 3
2008 Honda Accord # of recalls:1
2008 Nissan Altima # of recalls:4
I know none of this will phase our Asian car buyers so just go back to buying your bland, underpowered commuter cars thinking there the best in the world.
All these people saying that GM, Chrysler and Ford are the kings of recalls and that they'd be out of business if everyone went off recalls yadda yadda. Look at the recall lists, Toyota and Honda have just as many recalls as the domestics do. It may appear that domestics have more, but it's simply because they make more models.
Since Chrysler is usually thought to be the worse, lets compare. Lets just pick 2008.
2008 Chrysler 300 # of recalls: 1
2008 Toyota Camry # of recalls: 3
2008 Honda Accord # of recalls:1
2008 Nissan Altima # of recalls:4
I know none of this will phase our Asian car buyers so just go back to buying your bland, underpowered commuter cars thinking there the best in the world.
Source?
Mike
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