smoking ban in washington (real estate, apartment, buying a house)

[susansolin]

You can smoke in the casino's because they are on reservation land and therefore you are in a different country

[seattlejoe70]

I rent an apartment in seattle that says i cant smoke indoors, so when i go outside to smoke the upstairs neighbor complains to the landlord that she can smell the smoke and the landlord tells me i have to walk out to the alley or some other place to smoke. i know theres a 25 foot rule regarding smoking around a commercial place of business but whats the laws regarding rental apartments?

[Diane V]

Well I own a Seattle Storefront and I have measured 25 feet and by the time you get 25 feet away you are in front of another store...so NO you may not smoke on our side of the street. You may walk around the block, or go across the street, or just not smoke but you are not entitled to ruin the air for me or my customers. But boy do people get irritated if you ask them to step away from the shop's door. It's a pity.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by Diane V

Well I own a Seattle Storefront and I have measured 25 feet and by the time you get 25 feet away you are in front of another store...so NO you may not smoke on our side of the street. You may walk around the block, or go across the street, or just not smoke but you are not entitled to ruin the air for me or my customers. But boy do people get irritated if you ask them to step away from the shop's door. It's a pity.

This shows the law should be changed. Businesses that want to allow smoking should be allowed to. Businesses like yours that do not want smoking should be smoke free.

[Spewed]

Originally Posted by jinj

You can not expect a smoker to be rational, can't be done.

Rationale is believing everything that a commercial AGAINST tobacco tells you? I suppose you too believe all of the things regarding the chemicals in tobacco. I suppose you were seemingly unaware that most of the chemicals they speak of are also in everyday food items that you consume in your own gullet. Oh, and trust me, out of all the carcinogens floating around the area, I think second-hand smoke is the least of your worries.

Pollution is an everyday reality, one that is far more dangerous than some petty smoker's second hand smoke that I might walk through in passing down the street. Even caring about someone ELSE smoking is beyond petty, and quite honestly immoral. Where are your own moral values at play in this? Surely there is something more important you can wrap your mind around, other than people who smoke? Common American food bought in grocery stores will be what kills you, and gives you diabetes, as well as an assortment of various types of cancers, not second hand smoke. The only ones truly effected by smoking are the smokers themselves. I agree with the in-door smoking ban, but the 25 feet of a building ban is excessive by all means.


Anyway, I read a study once where a group of nutritionist gave cats regular human food, just how a human would prepare it. Shockingly(perhaps), almost all of the cats wound up with chronic, and quite common disease that humans suffer with everyday like cancer, diabetes, strange benign tumors, etc. So whilst you complain of the smoker, smoking outside and you passing by his smoke, continue to enjoy your ammonia soaked Mickie D's cheeseburger. ^_^

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by azoria

Yeah....I know.

If you look around, some places have an unofficial smoking area. A few places bars/taverns have patios witout servers and you can smoke there because technically nobody works there. The 25 foot thing is only enforced in downtown Seattle as far as I can tell.

What I don't understand is why you can't smoke on patios? Europe has gone more and more non-smoking (Ireland, UK, Germany, France, Italy) but they've then gone and installed patios where you can take your drink and smoke. But not Washington. Oh no.

The doorway thing is a joke. Police have better things to do than measure a smoker's distance from the nearest doorway.

There are a couple of places at Bell and 2nd in downtown Seattle that have little patios out front and they don't enforce the no-smoking nonsense at all. Usually packed. You can have your beer too, closest thing to nirvana in Seattle. There are also some taverns up on Greenwood that could give a $hit and up in Lake City.

Other towns around here in Seattle aren't nearly as noxious about the letter of the law as Seattle is. After all tobacco is a legal substance--the last time I checked.

P.S. For all their hypocracy, pot seems easier to get in this state than cigarettes, and cheaper too. Go figure.

^ West coast problems

[cjg5]

I remember once as a kid on a very crowded bus this woman with a heavy jacket got on and sat right next to me. She must have been a chain smoker because I felt as though someone had forced my entire face into a full ashtray and held it there. I seriously thought I was going to puke. I kept holding my breath as much as possible. This was even with the windows open. At each stop though the door would open allowing a breeze of fresh air over me. Too bad we couldn't have driven with the door open. I was very happy when she got off the bus and I could breath again.

What does this have to do with the ban law? Nothing really, it was just a story I was reminded of. I am glad the law was passed go outside to smoke. Especially restaurants. Who wants to be around that while you're trying to eat? If the law is changed then any business to allow indoor smoking will lose my business. I honestly don't mind if people choose to smoke I just don't like it done around me unless we're outside and I'm upwind of it rather than down.

[Hemlock140]

Originally Posted by j_k_k

I don't smoke cigarettes, myself, but I would be very interested to compare the toxicity of a passenger car's exhaust to that of a cigarette.

There is no comparison. Inhaling a car's exhaust can kill you a lot faster than second hand smoke, or even 2 packs a day, as little as 3 minutes in a confined space.

[cocaseco]

Originally Posted by Spewed

. So whilst you complain of the smoker, smoking outside and you passing by his smoke, continue to enjoy your ammonia soaked Mickie D's cheeseburger. ^_^

The difference is that my eating the burger has no effect on you while standing next to me. get it? I suspect you are not a scientist, or even able to read and understand comprehensive technical publications dealing with complex statistics and chemistry? The evidence is sound that smoking does hurt others through second hand smoke. If you choose not to believe it, becuase you dont understand it, or for any other reason is fine, but that doesnt mean it isnt true, compelling and analyticaly sound. This would be from a scientific standpoint and common sense. And yes, I do the the degrees and scientific experience to stand as an expert.

[Lamplight]

Originally Posted by cjg5

I remember once as a kid on a very crowded bus this woman with a heavy jacket got on and sat right next to me. She must have been a chain smoker because I felt as though someone had forced my entire face into a full ashtray and held it there. I seriously thought I was going to puke. I kept holding my breath as much as possible. This was even with the windows open. At each stop though the door would open allowing a breeze of fresh air over me. Too bad we couldn't have driven with the door open. I was very happy when she got off the bus and I could breath again.

What does this have to do with the ban law? Nothing really, it was just a story I was reminded of. I am glad the law was passed go outside to smoke. Especially restaurants. Who wants to be around that while you're trying to eat? If the law is changed then any business to allow indoor smoking will lose my business. I honestly don't mind if people choose to smoke I just don't like it done around me unless we're outside and I'm upwind of it rather than down.

I ride the bus almost daily, and it's not uncommon for me to be able to smell the cigarettes on someone as they step onto the bus. And I'm sitting near the back! Occasionally one of those people will sit near me, and when I get off the bus I can smell it on myself. I'm not sure how it's even possible to reek that much of cigarettes, unless they haven't washed their clothes in a couple of weeks.