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Old 08-02-2011, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Keosauqua, Iowa
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In my entire working career, I've never heard of someone's application being moved to a "dead" pile because of a polite follow up.
It's not "a polite" follow up that does it, it's daily "polite" follow ups. Or one impolite follow up where the applicant stands there at the counter and won't leave until he/she sees you pick up the application and look at it.

If you've ever been in a position where you're trying to wait on customers, fill out the schedule, approve AP payments, answer questions from the general office, and counsel employees and you have to stop all that because Joe Bob is at the counter for the third day in a row wanting to check on his application you will know what I'm talking about.

One polite phone call or follow up visit might prompt us to move the application to the top of the pile and look at it again at our convenience; any more than that pretty much guaranteed it was going to the "do not call" file.
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Old 08-02-2011, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Australia
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The only reason I've been turned down for jobs because I'm unskilled and I have zero experience. I looked at job postings. They say "Degree in XXXX", or "Need to have X months or years of experience".
There are just a few jobs that require no experience
Digging holes
Holding a stop - go sign at a school crossing.
Delievring news papers.
and it would appear that managing the economy also falls into that category.

I suspect you are looking in the paper or on line for a job.
I suspect the type of job you will get (rather than what you want) is to be found knocking on doors.
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Old 08-02-2011, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Denver 'burbs
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It's not "a polite" follow up that does it, it's daily "polite" follow ups. Or one impolite follow up where the applicant stands there at the counter and won't leave until he/she sees you pick up the application and look at it.

If you've ever been in a position where you're trying to wait on customers, fill out the schedule, approve AP payments, answer questions from the general office, and counsel employees and you have to stop all that because Joe Bob is at the counter for the third day in a row wanting to check on his application you will know what I'm talking about.

One polite phone call or follow up visit might prompt us to move the application to the top of the pile and look at it again at our convenience; any more than that pretty much guaranteed it was going to the "do not call" file.
Well, there you go....I never suggested he be a PITA. I suggested he follow up and not "assume" that because he didn't receive a call, that that's the end of it.
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Old 08-02-2011, 03:49 PM
 
Location: broke leftist craphole Illizuela
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Find someone that can hire you and shack up with them or become their buddy. Places hire managers-unqualified buddies before people with PhD's and 10 years experience.
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Old 08-02-2011, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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I live in Nevada too and I understand. It doesn't help that you aren't old enough to work in a casino. Even with a degree and over 21, you would still be in trouble. There are too many people with experience looking for work.

If I was in your position, I would join the USAF and learn to repair planes/helicopters etc. Or something like that. It's a skill you could use in civilian life and it's only a 4 year commitment. Afterwards. your college would be paid for and you would be more mature and know what you want. Why the Air Force? They tend to treat their people a little bit better and there's less chance of getting killed.

Yes, you are scared and you hoped it would be easy. But it's not. You are learning one of life's great lessons. Life is never fair. So suck it up and join the military. There's nothing for you in Nevada. All those jobs are long gone.
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Old 08-02-2011, 05:45 PM
 
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In the community college I've applied for, I have to take a few classes below the 100 level, which means financial aid won't cover it. And, I don't have a credit score, so I have a low chance of getting accepted. Then this means my parents are obligated to cover the rest, and they only make enough to scrape by
If the classes you need are below college level they often offer them free to students. Talk to admissions at the community college and ask about it. It's not something you'll find on the website (usually). I've attended community colleges in four different states and each one offered remedial (below college level) courses at no cost. I'm not low-income but I decided to take advantage of math classes offered simply to bring my math up to college level. (It had been years since I graduated high school so I was in desperate need of refreshing my skills!)

Depending on who you talk to, you might be able to "sit-in" some classes to bring your skills up so that you can then take your college level classes.

Also if you have Heald College near you they can help. I took a year's worth of classes there and loved Heald College. I wish we had one in the city we live in now. It's a private college but they really work with you to help you get what you need, plus they help you find jobs once you've completed your program. Because it's a private college you don't have to take all the annoying classes that traditional public colleges require you to take, so you can often complete say... an accounting degree or whatever program you're interested in... much quicker, plus save some money on tuition, too. These types of private colleges are often geared towards professionals or those who are already employed but seeking a new career, so they often offer tons of night classes as well as weekend classes - which I liked a lot. Plus - since you'll be taking classes with people who are already working, it helps you network and possibly find a job that way! A lot of times it's who you know, you know?

Job Corps is also an excellent idea. Find your local dept. of labor office and go talk to someone.

While you're at your local community college (in some places they refer to them as junior colleges) ask about apprenticeship programs as well.

Also what you can do is get as many certificates as you can while you're trying to figure out what to do. Get your power equiptment operators license and see if you can find a job at a warehouse or big box store like costco, etc. Warehouse type jobs often seek recent high school grads because they need strong bodies who don't mind working odd hours - often the hours are like 11pm to 8am or something like that.

Good luck!
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Old 08-02-2011, 06:05 PM
 
Location: 89434
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I live in Nevada too and I understand. It doesn't help that you aren't old enough to work in a casino. Even with a degree and over 21, you would still be in trouble. There are too many people with experience looking for work.

If I was in your position, I would join the USAF and learn to repair planes/helicopters etc. Or something like that. It's a skill you could use in civilian life and it's only a 4 year commitment. Afterwards. your college would be paid for and you would be more mature and know what you want. Why the Air Force? They tend to treat their people a little bit better and there's less chance of getting killed.

Yes, you are scared and you hoped it would be easy. But it's not. You are learning one of life's great lessons. Life is never fair. So suck it up and join the military. There's nothing for you in Nevada. All those jobs are long gone.
The Air Force looks fine

But, my friend tried to join and had to wait a while (Probably more than 6 months). I might join, and if I do, I'll have to request an early ship date so I would start my life right away. I've heard a few Air Force units got sent to an Army combat unit though...
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Old 08-02-2011, 06:09 PM
 
Location: 89434
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If the classes you need are below college level they often offer them free to students. Talk to admissions at the community college and ask about it. It's not something you'll find on the website (usually). I've attended community colleges in four different states and each one offered remedial (below college level) courses at no cost. I'm not low-income but I decided to take advantage of math classes offered simply to bring my math up to college level. (It had been years since I graduated high school so I was in desperate need of refreshing my skills!)
The community college I applied for wanted you to pay for them... I don't see any classes offered there for free
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Old 08-02-2011, 08:44 PM
 
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The community college I applied for wanted you to pay for them... I don't see any classes offered there for free
Even so, community college classes are always incredibly cheaper than the classes offered at a university. My brother goes to a community college and his classes are $59 a credit hour while mine were $400, big difference.

If you're sincerely interested in pursuing an education, talk to an admissions advisor at your local community college. He/she can give you more information on your options.
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Old 08-03-2011, 07:48 AM
 
Location: West Texas
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The Air Force looks fine

But, my friend tried to join and had to wait a while (Probably more than 6 months). I might join, and if I do, I'll have to request an early ship date so I would start my life right away. I've heard a few Air Force units got sent to an Army combat unit though...
Reality check, your life HAS started! Now it's up to you and you alone to do something about it.
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