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View Poll Results: Which country?
Australia 4 2.00%
Belgium 2 1.00%
Canada 42 21.00%
Denmark 3 1.50%
France 13 6.50%
Germany 10 5.00%
The Netherlands 36 18.00%
New Zealand 5 2.50%
Sweden 16 8.00%
Switzerland 5 2.50%
United Kingdom 13 6.50%
United States 51 25.50%
Voters: 200. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 05-11-2012, 12:12 PM
 
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According to your article, the Jewish community in France has a size of 500,000 people. Each of them has the possibility to move to Israel and immediately become an Israeli citizen, and even be supported by the Israeli government in doing so and settling in. The fact that 500,000 have prefered to stay in France proves that France can't be the anti-Semitic Nazi state you claim it to be. Same applies to most Middle and Western European countries. That is all.

And before you come shouting that you never said it was an "anti-Semitic Nazi hellhole": No, you didn't. I exaggerated for dramatic effect. However, what you said was:

and I interpreted "very anti semetic" as "unbearable". Which it evidently isn't.
was Czarist Russia anti semetic?
did most of the Jews stay there?

any other arguments?
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Old 05-11-2012, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Fishers, IN
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If it was like you say it to be, why are they still there? Is someone forcing them to stay?
How many are still left after Hitler and his minions tried to eradicate them?
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Old 05-11-2012, 02:57 PM
 
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how about this for Dutch tolerance here's a nice quote by Manfred Gerstenfeld

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Antisemitism is a perfect prism to understand the failure of Dutch multiculturalism
Netherlands - Dutch Politician Urges Orthodox Jews to Leave Holland -- VosIzNeias.com
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Netherlands - Frits Bolkestein, a retired member of the Dutch VVD party and formerly a European Commissioner, has said there is no future for orthodox Jews in Holland because of, “the anti-Semitism among Dutchmen of Moroccan descent, whose numbers keep growing”.
He said that orthodox Jews, who are recognizable as such, should encourage their children to immigrate to the United States and Israel, because he has little confidence in the effectiveness of the government’s proposals for fighting anti-Semitism.
Bolkestein believes there is no future for ‘active’ Jews in the Netherlands. The conservative politician made his remarks in an interview with freesheet De Pers.
In the interview, former EU Commissioner says that when he talks about active Jews he means those who are recognisable as such, for instance Orthodox Jews.
Earlier, Mr Bolkestein made similar statements in Het Verval (The Decline) by Manfred Gerstenberg, a recently published book about Jews in the Netherlands. Frits Bolkestein was political leader of the current coalition party VVD between 1990 en 1998. He later served as European Commissioner from 1999 until 2004
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Dutch politicians and prominent Dutch Jews reacted angrily to his statements with Geert Wilders twittering that it is not Jews who should immigrate but “the Moroccans who are anti-Semitic.”
Prominent Dutch rabbi Raphael Evers, called Bolkestein’s comments “unacceptable”
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Old 05-11-2012, 06:19 PM
 
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I take Goethe's view on this - "To tolerate means to offend"
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Old 05-12-2012, 06:29 AM
 
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how about this for Dutch tolerance here's a nice quote by Manfred Gerstenfeld



Netherlands - Dutch Politician Urges Orthodox Jews to Leave Holland -- VosIzNeias.com
Anyway the article states that Jews are getting anti semitic attacks by Moroccans living in Netherlands. So \these Moroccans are originally from is from Morocco. Yet you would probably see Morocco an anti semitic country.

How can you explain then with this:
During World War II, when the Vichy government of occupied France announced that it had prepared 200,000 yellow stars for the Jews of Morocco, King Mohammed V replied that he would need 50 more for him and his family. He refused to make any distinction between his citizens.

Morocco: a model of Muslim-Jewish ties / The Christian Science Monitor - CSMonitor.com

There are also other examples of tolerance between the rulers of Morocco and the Jews that live there.
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Old 05-12-2012, 08:32 PM
 
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Anyway the article states that Jews are getting anti semitic attacks by Moroccans living in Netherlands. So \these Moroccans are originally from is from Morocco. Yet you would probably see Morocco an anti semitic country.

How can you explain then with this:
During World War II, when the Vichy government of occupied France announced that it had prepared 200,000 yellow stars for the Jews of Morocco, King Mohammed V replied that he would need 50 more for him and his family. He refused to make any distinction between his citizens.

Morocco: a model of Muslim-Jewish ties / The Christian Science Monitor - CSMonitor.com

There are also other examples of tolerance between the rulers of Morocco and the Jews that live there.
it's not 1940
Mohammed V is not Mohammed VI
there's a difference between a king and his subjects

Poland was once the best country for Jews in the world I doubt too many people thought that way in 1943.
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Old 05-12-2012, 09:36 PM
 
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it's not 1940
Mohammed V is not Mohammed VI
there's a difference between a king and his subjects

Poland was once the best country for Jews in the world I doubt too many people thought that way in 1943.
You did not read the rest of the article. In addition Mohammed VI had an Jewish advisor. Yet today even the Jewish community is small it still the biggest in the Arab world plus it has traditionally been the safest Arab country for Jews to live in.

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Old 05-12-2012, 11:42 PM
 
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You did not read the rest of the article. In addition Mohammed VI had an Jewish advisor. Yet today even the Jewish community is small it still the biggest in the Arab world plus it has traditionally been the safest Arab country for Jews to live in.
I never said they weren't from the best in the arab world.
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Old 05-14-2012, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Another World Traveler
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Canada and the United States. All you need to do is look at the demographic population. Oh yes, there are problems but the bottom line is, Canada and the U.S.A. do have extremely diverse of people , TODAY!
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Old 05-15-2012, 09:58 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Okay! So now it looks like it's a tie between Canada and the United States of America!
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