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Old 01-12-2021, 11:22 AM
 
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Norway has led the world in using the carrot and stick method for getting EV cars on the road.
The current gasoline prices in Norway.
https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/N...soline_prices/

$7.219 per gallon
$1.907 per liter

Norway uses gasoline taxes to advance its "green" agenda.

I think Norwegians cheat and just use "free" bicycles.
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Old 01-12-2021, 11:57 AM
 
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The current gasoline prices in Norway.
https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/N...soline_prices/

$7.219 per gallon
$1.907 per liter

Norway uses gasoline taxes to advance its "green" agenda.

I think Norwegians cheat and just use "free" bicycles.
Norway has always had high gas prices - it's not a new thing.

Norway is advancing it's green agenda by eliminating the taxes on EV's that are still on ICE vehicles.
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Old 01-12-2021, 01:45 PM
 
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Norway has always had high gas prices - it's not a new thing.

Norway is advancing it's green agenda by eliminating the taxes on EV's that are still on ICE vehicles.
Where will Norway get tax money for their future socialist ideas?

I'm sure huge taxes on electric vehicles are coming.
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Old 01-12-2021, 02:37 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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Where will Norway get tax money for their future socialist ideas?

I'm sure huge taxes on electric vehicles are coming.

What do you mean? The tax revenue from vehicles isn't a large component of its national budget and the incentives for electric vehicles are to be phased out. Norway has the world's largest (as well as a separate 28th largest) sovereign wealth fund because it set aside a large portion of its national oil resources revenue for investments for later rather than spending the majority of it immediately, subsidizing fuel costs, or having the majority going to private corporations. This allowed them to not be hit with the dutch disease and to weather economic downcycles pretty easily with how large and diversified it is and able to take advantage of recovery periods afterwards. The wealth funds's value increases generally outpace their expenditures (and those expenditures have also been pretty well-placed as Norway has a very educated and productive populace without serious worrying long-term health trends and with infrastructure that's extensive and in fairly good repair). The country is a net external creditor, so there's no massive debt either. Norway on the private sector front, despite being a country with a very small population speaking a language that pretty much no one outside of their immediate (small) neighbors can understand, has a very productive private sector with many Norway-based companies having multinational operations. The country isn't particularly remarkable when it comes to number of homegrown billionaires, but their average for workers and people in general across a broad spectrum are fairly well-compensated and have what are generally fairly high quality of life and net worth.



The gas taxes foregone for EVs is minimal compared to any of that as will the EV taxes that they'll almost certainly eventually phase in.


Look at these exciting infrastructure projects! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Follo_Line https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulriken_Tunnel

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Old 01-13-2021, 05:39 AM
 
Location: western NY
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Originally Posted by vincenze View Post
The current gasoline prices in Norway.
https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/N...soline_prices/

$7.219 per gallon
$1.907 per liter

Norway uses gasoline taxes to advance its "green" agenda.

I think Norwegians cheat and just use "free" bicycles.
What's the cost of electric power, in Norway??
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Old 01-13-2021, 06:01 AM
 
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What's the cost of electric power, in Norway??
13.55 euro cents to 26.88 euro cents per KwH
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Old 01-13-2021, 06:03 AM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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The dreamers propose,

and the markets dispose.
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Old 01-13-2021, 07:00 AM
 
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Like I said before, 50% of new vehicle sales will be electric by 2030.

While there will be a long tail of use of ICE cars after that, ridesharing will rapidly increase the % of miles driven that come from electric drivetrains.

Unless the shortage of lithium is addressed or some new battery technology becomes widely available, it's not going to happen. I'm all for EVs, but there are major obstacles to a 50% adoption level.
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Old 01-13-2021, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Unless the shortage of lithium is addressed or some new battery technology becomes widely available, it's not going to happen.

There is no shortage of lithium. It's quite abundant, in fact. The real problem is Cobalt, and modern batteries and electric motors are using much less Cobalt than before (Tesla's newest batteries don't use any). The reporting on a lithium shortage was from back in 2018 and is out of date now.


https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/new...ery-chemistry/


https://blog.energybrainpool.com/en/...for-batteries/



There's more of a chance that Lithium Ion batteries are replaced by Sodium Ion and solid state batteries in the very near future (Toyota says they will sell a solid state battery electric car in 2022-23). A lot of companies have been working on solid state batteries that have much faster charge times and much lower weight and cost. If Toyota dies bring one out next year as planned, then it'll be a sea change in how BEVs are produced, developed and sold.



https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Mo...for-2021-debut


https://www.autoblog.com/2020/12/19/...rototype-2021/
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Old 01-13-2021, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Alabama
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Dumb idea for so many reasons.

If we've moved to mostly EV's by the 2030s, all a bad actor would have to do is take out the power grid and society grinds to a halt. Klaus Schwab and his WEF have already foreshadowed large-scale power outages worldwide, just like many NGOs foreshadowed the "global pandemic".
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