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I provided you numerous links the other day to disprove your repetitive assertions about the poor on welfare. I publicly predicted you wouldn't read them. And either I was correct -- or you simply love to spew untruth. You obviously can't dispute my representations in this thread either. And you are again making claims you can't back up.
Look how many births are being paid with Medicaid. That will show you where much of the problem lies.
If you can't feed a child, you have really no business having a child. Yet -- more children than ever are being born to women who cannot feed them without food stamps, WIC and the rest. Childhood poverty is growing and the only real reason for that is the irresponsible behavior.
Wish I would have seen your post earlier. I would have given you major reps. You need to be an inspirational speaker. Or a preacher. School these fools on the gospel and about taking personal responsibility. They always making excuses for people. They will never learn that you choose these things in life. You live in the United States of America. Get up off your behind and do something with yourself and your life. Nobody is going to give it to you.
Yes, same here -- that was great.
Some other Christian sayings:
God helps those who help themselves.
Give a man a fish to eat and you will need to give him a fish every day, teach a man to fish and he can feed himself.
Go and sin no more.
By the sweat of your brow will you have food to eat until you return to the ground from which you were made.
That last one makes it clear that God intended for people to work for a living. Work is good -- it's difficult to understand why liberals think work is a terrible punishment.
Wish I would have seen your post earlier. I would have given you major reps. You need to be an inspirational speaker. Or a preacher. School these fools on the gospel and about taking personal responsibility. They always making excuses for people. They will never learn that you choose these things in life. You live in the United States of America. Get up off your behind and do something with yourself and your life. Nobody is going to give it to you.
Thanks Allen, I am a certified life coach, motivator, and lay-counselor and legal assistant by profession. I also obtained a cosmetology license as a secondary skill and tool for ministry in assisting women in transition prepare for employment by getting them "interview-ready". I do a total makeover, providing them hair and makeup service, business attire, resume preparation, and interview coaching, but most importantly I am a servant of God and I believe that all people, just as Jesus believed, should be industrious which is why I volunteer my time and service to prepare those in transition in obtaining employment.
I will have to admit that even though I have a heart to assist others rise above and move forward from their current station in life, I have a low tolerance for excuses and yes, I have witnessed people who were given leads and the assurance of a job offer, turn it down because they were crippled by their own choices to not take advantage of the opportunity. At times, I have become angry, wanting to throw my hands in the air and say... forget it all, why am I even bothering. But, then I remember the people who benefited and if I can just touch one person's life, it has made it all the worthwhile.
Have fun in San Jose. Try not to get shot or robbed .. I hear it's tough down there.. If you actually manage to make enough money (above what new grads are making), maybe you'll be able to find yourself a nice place in Mountain View/Palo Alto like me. I'll be living just fine w/ my non-adjusted California wages.
Your insults get more pathetic by the day ..
*Cheers mate
The plan seems to involve greatly reducing benefits after 2-years in the program (currently its up to 4 years) and reducing benefits to children with ineligible parents....which seems code for "illegal parents".
The cuts seem too broad, though 2-years is good for most, some may need more time. Also, seems like the support should be bettered tied to actually making progress....
There is work avalible in the US ...
and it they haven't found a job in 2 years cut them off.
They will take a job then or bum on the streets.
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A friend of mine who makes no excuses about his choices in life works 2-3 jobs in security/patrol. He lived out of his car until he had enough to save up. He would use the bathroom and facilities at the gym to wash up/tidy up. He is focused on getting IT certifications and currently lives w/ a couple in a trailer home renting a room. He does what he has to in order to get by and takes any job he can get. This is the spirit of America and I respect such individuals.
Well, since you tongued and cheeked your question, you received an answer whether you were satisfied with it or not. I suspect, you are all up in arms because you actually received one. However, pick any one of the commentaries on the subject of working for your keep. I took the liberty of highlighting the crucial points in red.
Barnes' Notes on the BibleFor even when we were with you, this we commanded you - It would seem from this that the evil of which the apostle here complains had begun to operate even when he was with them. There were those who were disposed to be idle, and who needed the solemn command of an apostle to induce them to labor. That if any would not work, neither should he eat - That is, at the public expense. They should not be supported by the church. This was a maxim among the Jews (see Wetstein, in loc.), and the same sentiment may be found in Homer, Demosthenes, and Pythagoras; see Grotius, in loc. The maxim is founded in obvious justice, and is in accordance with the great law under which our Creator has placed us; Genesis 3:19. That law, in the circumstances, was benevolent, and it should be our aim to carry it out in reference to ourselves and to others. The law here laid down by the apostle extends to all who are able to work for a living, and who will not do it, and binds us not to contribute to their support if they will not labor for it. It should be regarded as extending:
(1) to the members of a church - who, though poor, should not be supported by their brethren, unless they are willing to work in any way they can for their own maintenance.
(2) to those who beg from door to door, who should never be assisted unless they are willing to do all they can do for their own support. No one can be justified in assisting a lazy man. In no possible circumstances are we to contribute to foster indolence. A man might as properly help to maintain open vice. Clarke's Commentary on the BibleIf any would not work, neither should he eat - This is a just maxim, and universal nature inculcates it to man. If man will work, he may eat; if he do not work, he neither can eat, nor should he eat. The maxim is founded on these words of the Lord: In the sweat of thy brow thou shall eat bread. Industry is crowned with God's blessing; idleness is loaded with his curse. This maxim was a proverb among the Jews. Men who can work, and will rather support themselves by begging, should not get one morsel of bread. It is a sin to minister to necessities that are merely artificial. Gill's Exposition of the Entire BibleFor even when we were with you,.... At Thessalonica in person, and first preached the Gospel to them,
we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat; the Ethiopic version reads in the singular number, "when I was with you, I commanded you"; using the above words, which were a sort of a proverb with the Jews, and is frequently used by them, , or , "that if a man would not work, he should not eat" (q). And again (r),
"he that labours on the evening of the sabbath (or on weekdays), he shall eat on the sabbath day; and he who does not labour on the evening of the sabbath, from whence shall he eat (or what right and authority has he to eat) on the sabbath day?''
Not he that could not work through weakness, bodily diseases, or old age, the necessities of such are to be distributed to, and they are to be taken care of, and provided with the necessaries of life by the officers of the church; but those that can work, and will not, ought to starve, for any assistance that should be given them by the members of the church, or the officers of it.
(q) Bere**** Rabba, sect. 14. fol. 13. 1. Echa Rabbati, fol. 48. 4. & Midrash Koholet, fol. 65. 4. (r) T. Bab. Avoda Zara, fol. 3. 1. People's New Testament3:10 This we commanded you. Even then he gave a command that if any refused to work for their food, they should be refused support by others. He who is able to work, and unwilling, should not be fed. Wesley's Notes3:10 Neither let him eat - Do not maintain him in idleness. Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary3:6-15 Those who have received the gospel, are to live according to the gospel.Such as could work, and would not, were not to be maintained in idleness. Christianity is not to countenance slothfulness, which would consume what is meant to encourage the industrious, and to support the sick and afflicted. Industry in our callings as men, is a duty required by our calling as Christians. But some expected to be maintained in idleness, and indulged a curious and conceited temper. They meddled with the concerns of others, and did much harm. It is a great error and abuse of religion, to make it a cloak for idleness or any other sin. The servant who waits for the coming of his Lord aright, must be working as his Lord has commanded. If we are idle, the devil and a corrupt heart will soon find us somewhat to do. The mind of man is a busy thing; if it is not employed in doing good, it will be doing evil. It is an excellent, but rare union, to be active in our own business, yet quiet as to other people's. If any refused to labour with quietness, they were to note him with censure, and to separate from his company, yet they were to seek his good by loving admonitions. The Lords is with you while you are with him. Hold on your way, and hold on to the end. We must never give over, or tire in our work. It will be time enough to rest when we come to heaven.
There are people in " California " who work some full time and some part time " and still are on Welfare , now go and figure that out if possible......The cost of living has becomed highly inflated since the days of JESUS.....LIFE and TIMES.....
Have fun in San Jose. Try not to get shot or robbed .. I hear it's tough down there.. If you actually manage to make enough money (above what new grads are making), maybe you'll be able to find yourself a nice place in Mountain View/Palo Alto like me. I'll be living just fine w/ my non-adjusted California wages.
Your insults get more pathetic by the day ..
*Cheers mate
lol, you go on to Craigslist in a sad effort to prove me wrong, those apartments are more than likely in bad areas at those rates. That shows you how long it's been since you have been in South Florida lol.
To prove I'm right, check out this excellent deal in Sunnyvale for $900/month.
Looks like one would do just fine on CA Unemployment at those rates
I'm actually planning on moving to Los Gatos, my friend from Santa Cruz recommends it. See I got connections, I'm not worried. I already have a network there, with friends, past and current business relations, it's a no brainer. Salary won't be a problem, I'm not a "new grad" nor am I a greenhorn junior level engineer, so salary is relative to this.
While your leaving CA with your tail tucked between your legs, bitter with pages and pages of negative talk, I'll be leaving here with no regrets and little complaints other than the poor job market, lack of opportunity, lack of intelligent people with little to no start-ups, minimal to no innovation, UF Grads, Good'ole Boy Syndrome and a worthless Governor to boot.
Ummm what are you talking about I am not a middle class trade folk (and not that there is anything wrong with that) Since when did the US middle class individual earn over 115K per year? Since when did trade schools put out degrees?
Of course you're a middle-class trade folk. $115k/year, though on the upper-end, is a solidly middle-class salary in California. And your career is a trade....I said nothing about so called "trade schools". There are many trades that require university degrees, most obvious those in the medical field.
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BTW I think you did not read carefully the point he was making...he thinks that anyone who is expert at what they do (that is me!) is bad for society...or how did he put it?
Sorry, that isn't how I understand his comments.
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I am not a middle class trade folk 
