Get Ready For A NEW Annual Vehicle Fee, Higher Gas Taxes, Higher Diesel Taxes, EV Fees -- Fee-Palooza (schools, university)

[Pretzelogik]

Lucky you live Cali.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Before the 12 cent a gallon increase, the gas tax in California was 38.17 cents per gallon. With the increase the gas tax will be 50.13 cents per gallon about 8 cents less than Pennsylvania and almost the same as Washington State, or a little over 12 cents a gallon cheaper than Reno

That does not make it good. Third place or so out of 50 States????

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by expatCA

That does not make it good. Third place or so out of 50 States????

I never said it was good, but here's a question for you. How do you think we should pay for infrastructure repair? Should it be through sales tax, property tax, income tax? I think the only rational way to pay for it is to have the people who use the roads pay for them. Here's a conservative's spin on it:

"We could, of course, just rail about taxes going up. But if we do want things from government like decent roads then someone, somewhere, is going to have to pay for them. And better it be road users than that everyone demand that someone else, that rich guy over there perhaps, pay for it instead." https://www.forbes.com/sites/timwors.../#1dfc3e5e3986

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

I never said it was good, but here's a question for you. How do you think we should pay for infrastructure repair? Should it be through sales tax, property tax, income tax? I think the only rational way to pay for it is to have the people who use the roads pay for them. Here's a conservative's spin on it:

"We could, of course, just rail about taxes going up. But if we do want things from government like decent roads then someone, somewhere, is going to have to pay for them. And better it be road users than that everyone demand that someone else, that rich guy over there perhaps, pay for it instead." https://www.forbes.com/sites/timwors.../#1dfc3e5e3986

Those who use them are already paying for them with gas taxes and property taxes (City and County roads) and income taxes (Fed and State and National Hwys and State Hwys). How about the State spends the money on its real needs not the stupid HSR and other money wasting projects when that money is needed for other things?

[V8 Vega]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

I never said it was good, but here's a question for you. How do you think we should pay for infrastructure repair? Should it be through sales tax, property tax, income tax? I think the only rational way to pay for it is to have the people who use the roads pay for them. Here's a conservative's spin on it:

"We could, of course, just rail about taxes going up. But if we do want things from government like decent roads then someone, somewhere, is going to have to pay for them. And better it be road users than that everyone demand that someone else, that rich guy over there perhaps, pay for it instead." https://www.forbes.com/sites/timwors.../#1dfc3e5e3986

The money is all going to public employees unions pensions, not road repair.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by V8 Vega

The money is all going to public employees unions pensions, not road repair.

Where will the money go?

Road Maintenance and Rehabilitation Program – $3.24 billion a year on average: Off the top, the program allocates several hundred million dollars to various endeavors:
▪ $400 million to maintain and repair state bridges and culverts
▪ $200 million for Sacramento and 23 other counties with local transportation taxes
▪ $100 million to increase the number of trips by bike and on foot
▪ $25 million for the freeway service patrol program
▪ $25 million for sustainable communities planning grants to local governments
▪ $7 million total for transportation-related research and education at UC ($5 million) and CSU ($2 million)
▪ $5 million in workforce development grants to local agencies
Of the roughly $2.48 billion remaining, half would go to Caltrans for state highway maintenance and rehabilitation. The other half would go to cities and counties for road maintenance and repair projects and railroad grade separations. It also pays for an emphasis on “complete streets” that are safer for walkers and bikers, capture stormwater, and include other features.
State highways – $1.49 billion
Local streets and roads – $1.48 billion
Public transit – $700 million: Receives an additional one-time $256 million from the transportation loan payback. The money will pay for local bus and light-rail systems, new equipment and other capital expenses.
Trade – $365 million: Pays for projects to improve movement of goods from the state’s large ports and other trade facilities.
Traffic – $250 million: Congested Corridors Program is intended to reduce traffic on California’s most heavily traveled roads.
California gas tax increase - what it costs and what it does | The Sacramento Bee

[taimaishu]

We should just do what all the red states do, beg the federal govt for money to do the repairs. CA is ranked at the very bottom in states the depend on the feds. We need to cut taxes and make up the difference by asking the feds for more money.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Where will the money go?

Road Maintenance and Rehabilitation Program – $3.24 billion a year on average: Off the top, the program allocates several hundred million dollars to various endeavors:
▪ $400 million to maintain and repair state bridges and culverts
▪ $200 million for Sacramento and 23 other counties with local transportation taxes ??????
▪ $100 million to increase the number of trips by bike and on foot
▪ $25 million for the freeway service patrol program
▪ $25 million for sustainable communities planning grants to local governments
▪ $7 million total for transportation-related research and education at UC ($5 million) and CSU ($2 million)
▪ $5 million in workforce development grants to local agencies
Of the roughly $2.48 billion remaining, half would go to Caltrans for state highway maintenance and rehabilitation. The other half would go to cities and counties for road maintenance and repair projects and railroad grade separations. It also pays for an emphasis on “complete streets” that are safer for walkers and bikers, capture stormwater, and include other features.
State highways – $1.49 billion
Local streets and roads – $1.48 billion
Public transit – $700 million: Receives an additional one-time $256 million from the transportation loan payback. The money will pay for local bus and light-rail systems, new equipment and other capital expenses.
Trade – $365 million: Pays for projects to improve movement of goods from the state’s large ports and other trade facilities.
Traffic – $250 million: Congested Corridors Program is intended to reduce traffic on California’s most heavily traveled roads.
California gas tax increase - what it costs and what it does | The Sacramento Bee

A couple of those makes some sense. The rest simply show why the roads are not getting all the money for repairs. Now how much has CA spent on the HSR program?

California High-Speed Rail Authority For two years, the California High-Speed Rail Authority said it could build 520 miles of high-speed train tracks between San Francisco and Los Angeles for about $43 billion.
But that figure – long derided as unrealistic by critics – went off the rails this month when the authority released detailed environmental reports for its proposed Merced-Fresno [PDF] and Fresno-Bakersfield [PDF] sections, the first two segments the agency wants to start building next year.
The authority's most optimistic estimates for the San Joaquin Valley sections alone total about $10 billion; route choices could run the price to $13.9 billion.
That's a far cry from the 2009 estimate of $8.1 billion.


http://californiawatch.org/dailyrepo...balloons-12325

[davidt1]

Originally Posted by V8 Vega

The money is all going to public employees unions pensions, not road repair.

Yep, everything else is smoke and mirrors.

[Finper]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Where will the money go?

Road Maintenance and Rehabilitation Program – $3.24 billion a year on average: Off the top, the program allocates several hundred million dollars to various endeavors:
▪ $400 million to maintain and repair state bridges and culverts
▪ $200 million for Sacramento and 23 other counties with local transportation taxes
▪ $100 million to increase the number of trips by bike and on foot
▪ $25 million for the freeway service patrol program
▪ $25 million for sustainable communities planning grants to local governments
▪ $7 million total for transportation-related research and education at UC ($5 million) and CSU ($2 million)
▪ $5 million in workforce development grants to local agencies
Of the roughly $2.48 billion remaining, half would go to Caltrans for state highway maintenance and rehabilitation. The other half would go to cities and counties for road maintenance and repair projects and railroad grade separations. It also pays for an emphasis on “complete streets” that are safer for walkers and bikers, capture stormwater, and include other features.
State highways – $1.49 billion
Local streets and roads – $1.48 billion
Public transit – $700 million: Receives an additional one-time $256 million from the transportation loan payback. The money will pay for local bus and light-rail systems, new equipment and other capital expenses.
Trade – $365 million: Pays for projects to improve movement of goods from the state’s large ports and other trade facilities.
Traffic – $250 million: Congested Corridors Program is intended to reduce traffic on California’s most heavily traveled roads.
California gas tax increase - what it costs and what it does | The Sacramento Bee

well that's the most depressing thing I hope I read today. I heard on the news that they aren't going to even start on the roads till Nov 2018. Guess we need a year for all those smart minds at UC and CSU to spend the 7 million on themselves and figure out what should be done