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I am a socialist. Religion is divisive. I can say with absolutely no qualms that I like it better when the people in a given area do not have deeply entrenched ties to an ideology that can make it harder for them to relate to their fellow countrymen and human beings (unless they were born into the SAME ideological sect). I have a friend who was in love with a girl who had to break up with him because he wasn't Muslim. Her parents were telling her she HAD to marry a Muslim. And I'M the bigot if I say it's too bad her parents didn't really care about that stuff because they'd probably be married today?
Yeah... no.
Even Christians have lines about "not marrying those who are unequally yoked." As a secularist I'm like, "Marry the one who is a good person." But I'M the bigot. OK. Sure.
Maybe you should take some responsibility for your own assumptions? Did I say that Americans are less intelligent for going to church more? My stepfather is a practising minister. He actually loves going to the States (and Kenya) because the church scene is so vibrant there, especially in Atlanta and Oklahoma. Is he a bigot for wanting to be around lots of Christians or is your ire reserved for secularists who like their culture alone?
Ire for secularists? I have already said that *I* am secular. And my parents are from the UK, which is considerably less religious than Canada (everything is relative). I think it stands to reason that I hold no ire for secularists.
Ire for secularists? I have already said that *I* am secular. And my parents are from the UK, which is considerably less religious than Canada (everything is relative). I think it stands to reason that I hold no ire for secularists.
In your last post you literally made the admission that you were putting words into my mouth and assuming things that were not said based on what another Canadian had allegedly said at some point on the internet. I'm not sure what your social justice crusade is about, but I do know that I don't need to be held accountable for your need to feel self-righteous and take offense on someone else's behalf. Sorry. I'm sure you mean well but it's actually just coming out as a whole bunch of hypocrisy and projection.
We are all entitled to our opinion. A churchgoing person is not automatically more virtuous for being churchgoing.
In your last post you literally made the admission that you were putting words into my mouth and assuming things that were not said based on what another Canadian had allegedly said at some point on the internet. I'm not sure what your social justice crusade is about, but I do know that I don't need to be held accountable for your need to feel self-righteous and take offense on someone else's behalf. Sorry. I'm sure you mean well but it's actually just coming out as a whole bunch of hypocrisy and projection.
We are all entitled to our opinion. A churchgoing person is not automatically more virtuous for being churchgoing.
I haven't "literally made the admission" about anything. I'm not taking offense on anyone else's behalf, either. But hypocrisy annoys me. I would really like to know to know how it is that *I'm* being hypocritical and "projecting."
OF course a person isn't automatically virtuous for being churchgoing. And neither is a person who DOESN'T go to church.
"I would really like to know to know how it is that *I'm* being hypocritical and "projecting."
Sure, no problem. Your words were, "I am not religious (I guess I'm typically Canadian in that respect), so I don't take your comments -- or their insinuations -- personally. I am only pointing out the hypocrisy of this tired argument some Canadians love to use. The one that insists Americans are less intelligent...."
So you have accused me of calling Americans unintelligent because they go to church in higher numbers because of something another Canadian allegedly said to you once, who was NOT me. So, let's be clear: you have stereotyped me based on your experience with ANOTHER Canadian and put words into my mouth which you yourself acknowledge that I did NOT say, hence your insistence about "implication" in the place of actual words, all so that you could defend a population of people (evangelical Americans) who are NOT you, which is the actual definition of taking offense on someone else's behalf. Mrs. social justice warrior, you apparently think that it's fine for you to stereotype me as hateful and bigoted towards all religious people without knowing a darn thing about me just because I asked someone sneering down their nose at Anglo-Canadians to prove an assertion about Anglo-Canadians specifically being just as religious as Americans and to verify their assertion that only Quebecois are more secular on average than Americans with actual data? Expecting me to defend ALL secular Canadians against YOUR stereotype about us is NOT hypocritical on which planet exactly?
Blatantly stating that the origin of your picking an argument with me is someone else who is NOT me is obviously you projecting your experience with that person or persons onto me, which, once again, is extremely hypocritical. I ask that you refrain from accusing me of saying things which by your own admission I did not actually say. I do not need to defend my statement OR my later-stated preference because there is NO value judgment inherent in it. Sikhs in Canada largely live around other Sikhs, Jews around other Jews, etc. and I don't see you accusing them of being "hateful to other groups." People who do not strictly observe or adhere to a religion do NOT have restrictions on who we can marry and thus can embrace people from all walks of life and be fully inclusive, and you are here saying that we are all prejudiced if we happen to be secularists who live in Canada? So, British secularists like yourself get off scot-free eh, all hail Saint Hitchens? You should really learn to think before typing because from where I am sitting you are everything that you have accused me of being and then some.
"OF course a person isn't automatically virtuous for being churchgoing. And neither is a person who DOESN'T go to church." Thanks for the lecture. I hope you feel better about yourself now, you've been a good self-righteous keyboard warrior.
At least other posters have asked me to clarify or back up statements I have actually made. I ask that you do the same.
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In the Ottawa suburb of Kanata there is an area where you need permission from some type of local board or body in order to change a colour on the front of your house.
Did you read the first article or any of the others?
Neither Dearborn nor Hamtramck have Muslim mayors, but other cities and towns do, where there are hardly Muslim majority populations. One of the articles does point out, however, that Hamtramck has a Muslim-majority population, as does Dearborn, and it's had the Muslim call to prayer 5 times per day for years. There are Muslim elected officials throughout the country. New York Public Schools now recognizes a couple of Muslim holidays. In the Metro Detroit suburbs where I used to live, Jewish holidays were official school holidays as well, and had been for years. Etc, etc, etc.?
Out of curiosity, is Dearborn not majority Arab as opposed to majority Muslim? Just wondering as the older Arab populations in most of USA and Canada tended to be Christians (like Maronites from Lebanon), with Muslims coming in large numbers more recently.
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Where does any of this occur in Canada??
Well, the mayor of Calgary Naheed Nenshi is Muslim and the city is very predominantly non-Muslim.
He's also an in-the-closet gay apparently. (Am I allowed to say that? I don't really care either way...)
Well; I must say this has been very interesting reading for the last few pages.
All it took was one or two posts by our old friend PBeuchamp with a supportive accolade or two from another of his ilk; ModernRebel and off we went into a very interesting side-bar discussion.
A round of applause is earned by all for their obvious attempts at restrained and intelligent rejoinders. I'm learning quite a bit from this thread.
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In the Ottawa suburb of Kanata there is an area where you need permission from some type of local board or body in order to change a colour on the front of your house.
Wow so what's your point? Torontocheeka is right and her opinion is as valid as any others buddy. Just because of one's skin colour they can't share their opinions? Location: Quebec. Oh now it all makes sense.
@ Torontocheeka - love your posts girl. You are right in so many ways about the USA being a RACIST country that also supports SEXISM at an institutional level and Canada is a TOLERANT and MULTICULTURAL country. If Americans only knew what it is like to live in a society free of racism then they would all move to Canada so let's not shout our achievements to loudly! I refuse to go to the US now because it is such a dangerous place that most of it looks like inner city Detroit. I refuse to put money into their economy to be and going there supports racism and sexism when you spend money in their economy. Don't let racists like modernrebel deter you from being you they are just bitter that we don't condone racism. We watched a documentary in university called Black in America and it was about all of the horrible things they support down there like lynching black men for looking at white women. Glad to be from Canada where racism is a thing of the past and we never had slavery. That's probably why our black people aren't as violent and are more intelligent while in the U.S.A. their black people are mostly gang members or in prison.
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