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Hey Campbell, what happens to those that don't forgive others? Do they receive forgiveness?
If Jesus can forgive us, we should forgive those who ask us to forgive them. It is within the Christian makeup that we reach out to others. If we don't forgive then maybe we are not someone who really loves God. Jesus tells us, you will know them by their works. And I believe forgiving is one of those works.
If Jesus can forgive us, we should forgive those who ask us to forgive them. It is within the Christian makeup that we reach out to others. If we don't forgive then maybe we are not someone who really loves God. Jesus tells us, you will know them by their works. And I believe forgiving is one of those works.
What about God? - Will He save those that don't forgive others?
Campbell, it only applied to the Jews during the time of Jesus.
FEW WILL ENTER THE GATE AND THE NARROW WAY AND THE FEW THAT FIND IT (present tense)
It is true that Jesus said “narrow is the way, and few there will be that find it.” But consider the context. During Jesus’ earthly ministry He also said that He came only to the sheep of Israel … not to the Gentiles. Jesus’ earthly agenda was to prepare His people (Israel) for the restoration of the kingdom upon the earth. And for this, the people needed “superabounding righteousness” … they needed to “be perfect as your Heavenly Father is perfect” (Matt 5:48).
Before Jesus’ earthly ministry was concluded, and as He set forth all of the kingdom conditions, His disciples asked him, “Who consequently can be saved?” (Matt 19:25). Jesus response: “With men this is impossible, yet with God all is possible.” Narrow is the way for this kind of righteousness being required. So Israel was set aside (temporarily, not permanently – see Romans 11:25-26) until the millenial age that follows the one we are in right now.
But thru Paul, God began to do a new thing. Paul begins to talk about the body of Christ … justification (not just pardon) … grace alone (not grace + works). If left to men to respond with obedience (as was the call in that day) who could be saved? But all is possible with God, and that is what Paul tells us about.
Jesus also said that many are called, but few are chosen Matthew 22:14. It is the conclusion to a parable Jesus is tellings that concerns the kingdom. Like I said before, in Jesus' lifetime He went only to the Jews ... the "sheep of Israel." And this parable is intended to explain that while all of Israel was called, only SOME were fit to enter the wedding festivities. Most within Israel had rejected the King, and could not enter the feast ... they were not chosen. This rejection by the Jews continues, and much later Paul would explain that this "callousness" had come upon Israel until the full complement of the nations may enter (i.e. the body of Christ).
The "many are called and few are chosen" pertains to Israel, in the day that Jesus was proclaiming the kingdom to be established upon the earth. When this was rejected, Israel was temporarily set aside as the body of Christ is gathered (as in this present day) until the millenium.
But none of this can take away from the final climax of human history, when God becomes All in all ... when as in Adam all are dying, thus also in Christ shall all be made alive ... yet each in his own class. (1 Corinthians 15:20-28)
Those that use the "many are called but few are chosen" to say that only SOME will be saved are taking the parable out of context. It is true that only SOME were chosen in that day during which Jesus spoke, but once God's plan for all mankind is fully revealed ... after the death and resurrection of Christ and after the subsequent revelations made to the apostle Paul following the rejection of the kingdom message by Israel ... we see that ALL mankind will be saved.
God wills that all mankind be saved (1 Timothy 2:4)
God is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will (Ephesians 1:11)
As in Adam all are dying; thus also in Christ will all be made alive (1 Corinthians 15:22)
...Mr. rodgertutt sir...It is noteworthy to call attention to the fact that you posted without including a "SNIP PET" or a link!...that's truly a refreshing thing...even though I do not agree with you. I read it because of that. Thank you for no "snippets" or repetative links.
Thank you for the kind words, and heartfelt response, however, you really didn't answer my question. You are free to not answer it, but please, out of respect, just say you don't want to...
Do you believe that Eby is a prophet, and are you a part of the Latter Rain movement?
Salvation out of the lake of fire which is the 2nd death
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Jesus clearly tells us that there will be people who will never enter the Kingdom of God.
Campbell, Jesus' use of the present tense indicates that what He said only applied to the Jews during the time of Jesus.
FEW ARE ENTERING THE NARROW GATE, AND FEW ARE FINDING THE NARROW WAY, (Jesus was speaking in the present tense).
It is true that Jesus said “narrow is the way, and few there be that find it.” But consider the context. During Jesus’ earthly ministry He also said that He came only to the sheep of Israel … not to the Gentiles. Jesus’ earthly agenda was to prepare His people (Israel) for the restoration of the kingdom upon the earth. And for this, the people needed “superabounding righteousness” … they needed to “be perfect as your Heavenly Father is perfect” (Matt 5:48).
Before Jesus’ earthly ministry was concluded, and as He set forth all of the kingdom conditions, His disciples asked him, “Who consequently can be saved?” (Matt 19:25). Jesus response: “With men this is impossible, yet with God all is possible.” Narrow is the way for this kind of righteousness being required. So Israel was set aside (temporarily, not permanently – see Romans 11:25-26) until the millenial age that follows the one we are in right now.
But thru Paul, God began to do a new thing. Paul begins to talk about the body of Christ … justification (not just pardon) … grace alone (not grace + works). If left to men to respond with obedience (as was the call in that day) who could be saved? But all is possible with God, and that is what Paul tells us about.
Jesus also said that many are called, but few are chosen Matthew 22:14. It is the conclusion to a parable Jesus is tellings that concerns the kingdom. Like I said before, in Jesus' lifetime He went only to the Jews ... the "sheep of Israel." And this parable is intended to explain that while all of Israel was called, only SOME were fit to enter the wedding festivities. Most within Israel had rejected the King, and could not enter the feast ... they were not chosen. This rejection by the Jews continues, and much later Paul would explain that this "callousness" had come upon Israel until the full complement of the nations may enter (i.e. the body of Christ).
The "many are called and few are chosen" pertains only to Israel, in the day that Jesus was proclaiming the kingdom to be established upon the earth. When this was rejected, Israel was temporarily set aside as the body of Christ is gathered (as in this present day) until the millenium.
But none of this can take away from the final climax of human history, when God becomes All in all ... when as in Adam all are dying, thus also in Christ shall all be made alive ... yet each in his own class (1 Corinthians 15:20-28).
Those that use the "many are called but few are chosen" to say that only SOME will be saved are taking the parable out of context. It is true that only SOME were chosen in that day during which Jesus spoke, but once God's plan for all mankind is fully revealed ... after the death and resurrection of Christ and after the subsequent revelations made to the apostle Paul following the rejection of the kingdom message by Israel ... we see that ALL mankind will be saved.
God wills that all mankind be saved (1 Timothy 2:4)
God is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will (Ephesians 1:11)
As in Adam all are dying; thus also in Christ will all be made alive (1 Corinthians 15:22)
Matthew 13:49-50, "So shall it be (literally) atthe conclusion of the eon (singular): the angels shall come forth and sever the wicked from among the just, and shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."
In case anyone is interested, here are three scriptural UR expositions on the duration and purpose of God's judgmental fire.
Here is a snippet from L. Ray Smith's exposition A Scriptural JourneyThroughthe Lake Burning with Fire and Brimstone, Which is the SECOND DEATH
Here is a snippet from James' Coram's EONIAN FIRE AND JUDGING
"God disciplines those of whom He is fond (Heb.12:7-11; Rev.3:19), and He is fond of humanity (Titus 3:4). We can be sure that God will be doing all things well, exercising judgment founded upon His love." biblical studies: Eonian Fire and Judging
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...Mr. rodgertutt sir...It is noteworthy to call attention to the fact that you posted without including a "SNIP PET" or a link!...that's truly a refreshing thing...even though I do not agree with you. I read it because of that. Thank you for no "snippets" or repetative links.
From moderator Alpha 8207
"Gang,
When you are going to be posting information/data that is not original, please ONLY post a snippet (a few sentences of the most important points) and a link."
Thank you for the kind words, and heartfelt response, however, you really didn't answer my question. You are free to not answer it, but please, out of respect, just say you don't want to...
Request understood.
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Do you believe that Eby is a prophet?
I don't know what you mean by "a prophet."
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Are you a part of the Latter Rain movement?
I don't even know what the Latter Rain movement is.
When you are going to be posting information/data that is not original, please ONLY post a snippet (a few sentences of the most important points) and a link."
That's right, it is totally allowed and don't worry about it Rodger, I appreciate all of the snippets and links and I'm sure others do too.
And when was the last time you saw someone pluck out their eyeball because it was offending them spiritually?
Symptomatic of Retinitis Pigmentosa; blindness that generally precedes tunnel vision. Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged: and with what measure you mete, it shall be measured to you again.
And why look at the mote that is in your brother's eye, but consider not the beam that is in your own eye? Or how will you say to your brother, Let me pull the mote
out of your eye; and behold, a beam is in your own eye?
"You hypocrite, first cast the beam out of your own eye; and then you shall see clearly to cast the mote out of your brother's eye."
It appears that Jesus corrected the religious leaders of his day, not for judging; but for NOT using GOOD JUDGMENT.
It takes wisdom, discernment, and the exercise of truth to judge righteously.
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Reason: ...for a spelling error!
What about God? - Will He save those that don't forgive others?
Well the real question is. Does a person who refuses to forgive, have a heart for Jesus in the first place? Works can't save us. Yet works can sometimes indicate if we really have a relationship with God. No doubt many a Christian have died with unconfessed sin. We all sin, we all are guilty in one way or another. Only God can see into another mans heart. God will forgive all of those who have been born of God. Yet if some one refuses to forgive. Is he really a Christian?
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PET" or a link!...that's truly a refreshing thing...even though I do not agree with you. I read it because of that. Thank you for no "snippets" or repetative links.
Salvation out of the lake of fire which is the 2nd death
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